Banning elbows not being allowed on the table and hats not being allowed indoors are also wins for me
Elbows have always been allowed on the table. The rule for fancy dining was that you couldn’t have elbows on the table during a course, i.e., when people are actively eating, but before/after, it’s fine. That’s a reasonable rule to be considerate of space.
Never been an issue for me. The issue would be invading someone’s personal space. Maybe we just have bigger tables where I live.
Exactly. Food on the table? Elbows off. It’s simple.
Why?
If you have a large number of people eating in comparison to the size of the table, and the table is already covered in food, the only place on the table to put your elbows is in other people’s personal space.
The rule should be “no elbows right next to someone else’s food” but neurotypicals are terrible at communicating due to their underdeveloped social skills and empathy.
People other than you, who are not “neurotypicals” whatever tf that even means, are able to accomplish seating large amounts of people at a table and use basic table manners just fine. It’s just common courtesy.
Yes, neurotypicals are indeed able to have large family dinners. But they have to do it using table manners as a crutch. They can’t just have an honest conversation about what’s really necessary, they need to rely on this social construct to tell people what to do without explaining why. It’s a great weakness. If only the average person weren’t so afraid to introspect and to question why we do things.
Tell me you have autism without telling me you have autism.
Respect. Culture. Table manners.
Take your pick.Edit. Personal eating space is probably the most realistic answer.
“Because”
Well it’s never been an issue in any space I’ve eaten in, so I think you’re wrong.
Good to know you’ve never sat at a table with a lot of people, I guess? Or next to an opposite handed person.
Yeah, no need whatsoever to eat cramped too tightly around a table.
This is one of the few cases where the down and upvotes actually matter for the issue at hand buddy.
If elbows aren’t allowed on a table during a course of a fancy dinner, they have definitely not always been allowed on the table.
Yeah I thought that was a ridiculous statement as well
“Why?”
“Because!”
“…”
I like the way we don’t have to wear petticoats under our dresses anymore.
Yeah. Now I just wear them for fun!
I mean doesn’t everyone still at least wear the stretchy shorts under their dress? Like I’m not going just panties. That seems so lewd.
As someone who can’t sit straight I only wore shorts and trousers until I learnt this trick in my twenties. While I personally don’t find it lewd, other people clearly do and I get so pissed off every time someone feels the need to inform me that they’ve been looking up my skirt.
I’m gonna be the Debbie downer and mention that no-iron clothes have synthetics in them, the washing of which is a major contributor to the microplastics problem.
All clothes are no-iron clothes if you DGAF enough :)
My people.
This is the way.
All you gotta do it hang the shirts up, guys. That’s it. Gravity is nature’s iron.
But make sure you do so quickly after the dryer is done. Otherwise they’ll cool down and the creases will set.
I’d rather not follow any advice you give, MindTraveller. Thanks.
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Clearly you’ve never bought linen :p
Linen is supposed to be wrinkly, that’s why it’s so cool. It lets the breeze get between you and the fabric. Just hang it up wet, giving a few strategic tugs to smooth it out, especially the collar.
I love that we are arguing about laundry on Lemmy. The thread above this there are so many angry downvotes.
Lol who said anything about specific garments? We just wear our clothes wrinkled and no one cares. My linen shirts looked wrecked for an hour or so and then the wrinkles fall out, for instance.
Yeah that’s linen for you. People don’t wear it much anymore sadly so they don’t get that they just look wrinkled. I love linen shirts though.
no-iron clothes have synthetics in them
most my clothing is 100% cotton, and I have never ironed once I left my parent’s home.
If I have to choose between keeping nature around and not having to buy an iron again, is gonna be a tough choice.
you can do both if you just choose not to care about wrinkled clothes.
Many of us have this choice made for us.
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Fair!
True, but tires are way, way worse.
You must look fucking stupid wearing tyres
No wrinkles in the shirt though.
Don’t diss Michelin Man, that’s not cool bro
No iron clothes is a lie. They say no iron on the label in the store, but they tell you to iron in on the care label.
Hanging them up wet rather than putting them in the dryer will get most wrinkles out, especially if you smooth/stretch the collar, placket and cuffs
Could be formaldehyde as well right?
Yeah nah by now ironing I mean I do not iron unless it’s a fancy event, regardless of the fabric lol
Wool, cotton, etc, all don’t need ironing. Just don’t over dry and hang them up right away.
Ironing seems like it’d be a really chill and relaxing activity, if we had time to engage in it.
It is, if you don’t have to do it all the damn time. If you just iron your clothes when you want/need to, it’s an enjoyable chore.
It’s like gardening/lawn care for me. I like doing it, but I hate having to do it or else.
It is But only for men
How have I never seen this video before?
Would’ve thought we have more leisure time today than back in yee olden ironing thymes
This was my first thought. “Ironing?! Ain’t nobody got time for that!” It would probably be nice though.
…but then your clothes might look like you’ve worn them before.
What are you? Poor?
Yes?
Now everyone’s poor, so it’s okay.
I just buy new clothes every time.
This achievement belongs to the tail end of GENX… The folks that brought us grunge.
Im a geriatric millennial
Close enough. You can come in the club. There’s dunkaroos in the back if you’re hungry.
Looks like there’s a box of YoYo Balls and Pogs. Can I have a go?
Oh for sure, those are a communal resource.
Fuck. I played so much with both of those things.
I thought they discontinued dunkaroos, but then my wife came home with a box of them for my kids.
I tried one (disgusting); I remember them being a lot better.
Hard to tell if it is actually worse or a false memory, because they originally came out when garbage sugar-laced food science was really taking off targeting the younger demographic.
I remember the birthday cake ones being amazing
They have 100% gotten worse. The quality of everything has dropped in the last 20+ years.
I keep having this argument with my mom. She keeps trying to tell me it’s because I’m older and my taste bus have changed. I’ll admit my preference in flavor may have broadened but all my favorite snacks and candy from the late 80s and early 90s have been terribly inshitafide. My absolute favorite was skittles. The apple ruined them but then they finally caved and put lime back in only to change the receipt altogether which ruined them a second time. At least one of the ingredients is illegal in most countries at this point.
Here is a fun fact. All skittles taste the same. They just add different scents to them to trick you into thinking there is a different flavor. That being said the lime ones were my favorite too.
This is silly semantics. If you can close your eyes and tell which color you are eating then the flavors are different enough. Scent is also linked to taste.
I remember always wearing wrinkled shirts back then because I didn’t care about ironing or society.
I did that in the military. They were less keen and some shit hit some fans or whatever. So I got me some safety pins for my neckline and they shut the fuck up and my millennial self rejoiced.
How does this safety pin trick work?
Anyone who said shit, he poked them with it.
We are considered a micro-generation they have dubbed Xennials 1977-1983
Xennials are described as having had an analog childhood and a digital young adulthood.
I feel like a lot of people from different countries would fit that description after the fact since technology was more expensive and it took us longer to be able to afford the new and trendy items.
Speak for yourself. Casual clothes killed most ironing but ain’t nobody showing up in a wrinkled suit.
I don’t even own a suit haha
I wish they were more affordable in the US. I love wearing a suit, makes me feel like a mobster. lol Cosplay for the unstable.
Hopefully no weddings or funerals coming up. Then again, if you’re American, I’ve seen people show up to a wedding in shorts and a baseball cap. No ironing required.
The most recent funeral I attended, only the deceased’s brother wore a suit, the rest of the family wore basically everyday clothes, as did 99% of the attendants. I left my suit jacket in the car because I felt overdressed.
Was this in the US?
It was, yes.
The deceased wasn’t the type that would want anyone to put on their Sunday best just for him, so it made sense. But when I mentioned it to my father, he commented that no one really wears suits to funerals anymore, or even weddings.
Just across (south) of the bay from you judging by your name: I was at a funeral recently, not many people wore suits. Of course, nobody wore shorts or anything, but not too many formal suits.
Here black suit is usually the way to go
That’s how we did my grandfather’s memorial. Grandma didn’t want it to feel formal and we weren’t about to force that.
I didn’t for a long time either. Then I needed one.
Casual clothes killed most ironing but ain’t nobody showing up in a
wrinkledsuit.Unless you’re upper management or going to a wedding/funeral/formal event, why would you even wear a suit? In the last decade I’ve worn my suit 3 or 4 times in the last decade, and they were all weddings or funerals.
Give it a try. Hit up a thrift store and get some great tacky suits from the 70s and 80s, if you can find em. It’s a bit of fun to wear them when it’s not necessary or expected. I probably wouldn’t wear a really nice wedding/funeral suit in such cases because I spill fucking everything and would become destitute from the dry cleaning bills.
Now, if it were a social expectation/requirement, it would suck and not be fun. But, as a choice that one can make, it’s great sometimes.
I have a tailored suit in my closet, but there’s no way in fuck I’m showing up to work in that suit or any other suit.
For one, I work from home and I want to actually be comfortable. For two, if I was going into the office, I would ruin it at some point crawling under desks and behind racks and shit.
Absolutely there with you. Hence my suggestion of thrift store.
And for wearing one to the office? I also work from home so, would only likely do so to confuse my wife.
Where I work the staff still wear full suits for the most part. I think it’s a more traditional workplace though.
Yeah I should have put an edit in. I didn’t know this was going to blow up like this. I don’t wear a suit or formal clothes more than about once a year, for the events of friends and families. I’m not trying to say it’s an every day thing.
How often do you wear a suit? Dry clean as necessary, hang it up between uses. I’ve never ironed a suit.
That doesn’t proof it from wrinkles, especially if you need to travel to the event.
Clothing steamers are less damaging though.
I’ve never had one actually work though. Irons, used properly, are safe and they work.
Mine does.
Bully for you?
?
I’m glad it works for you.
On the rare occasion I have to wear a dress shirt for work, I’m making sure it’s as wrinkled as possible. I wouldn’t want to be mistaken for one of the execs, it gives the impression that you don’t work hard. I think it’ll continue bubbling up in the same way not wearing a tie and not having curtails did.
Definitely did not.
IKR, my SO owns two.
IDK what OP is on about, though, I’ve never used one.
You’re going with someone who owns two irons?
Blink twice if you’re in danger.
👀
You might even say we ironed that problem out
oh, the irony!
all ya’ll admitting to ironing your clothes in the comments are a bunch of dweebs, just saying.
Said ye who has not experienced Extreme Ironing.
Extreme Ironing: Pressing for Victory
Speechless
It can be very relaxing. And suits (well shirt and pants) are something that you’d probably want to iron.
I bought an ironing board and an iron when I moved into my current home thinking “yeah, I have some shirts, I’ll iron them when I need them”.
That was 3 years ago. The ironing board was put into a corner out of sight and the iron is still in its original packaging, unopened to this day. I’m trying to justify my purchase with “better to have it and not need it than the other way around”.
My parents bought me one when I moved out. Kept it around boxed for 5 years before throwing it out unused. If you care my clothing is wrinkled, I will never respect you.
Hopefully you donated it, instead of just throwing it directly in the dumpster.
There’s still people who use them and not all of those people can afford one.
Bragging about wasting a perfectly good tool (and a gift) that you were too stupid to figure out how to use. Then, to mask your embarrassment, you try to put blame onto those who do understand the purpose of an iron.
Grow up.
Nothing about their comment outlined that they didn’t know how to use it. But that they never did use it.
Nothing about their comment eludes to any fact that they’re embarrassed at all. They posted it publicly and directly with not reservation which is the opposite of “embarrassed”.
They didn’t blame anyone for anything related to the iron itself. But for shallow intentions if they care at all about the clothes that they wear. Which I can understand and agree with to some extent.
You on the other hand… You’re a jackass. Lots of insinuations, lots of assumptions. Just to put down some random person on the internet for not wanting a fucking iron that probably was the 20$ special at wally world.
I justify any purchase that I regret as “investment”. In 50 years, it will sure be worth at least 10x!
I at least got one of those little cheap half size ironing boards that I can hide by the dryer. I iron special occasion clothes and that one silk shirt I love to straighten the button strip whatever if it is egregious… Otherwise it sits unused 99.5% of the year.
They’re good for Hama beads.
Soon on Forbes or something:
“You’ll be flattened to find out what industry millenials are killing next.”
"This Millennial entrepreneur is bringing back ironing in a big way. For only $500 per billing period*, a subcontractor with Iron It® will come to your house and iron five shirts for you. You can add extra shirts for only $50 each, or pants for $70. Sign up today for a free trial at ironit.com! (*Billing period is 7 days. Free trial subscription automatically renews unless cancelled before day 3. Not liable for damage to clothes.)
Okay, but how about we still go with the subcontractor, but … Hear me out here … We call it AI and the subcontractor actually works in India for pennies on the dollar? Pivot to that and you’ve got my investment.
- Every venture capitalist right now
“Dry-cleaners hate this one millenial secret!”
You know, I want software patents, math patents(yes, they are not legal. Yes, they exist.), NDAs, DMCA and mass surveilance to be on list what millenials are killing next.
Well now I’m bummed out to find out that people are trying to patent math.
I’m with you on all of those though.
It gets worse. There are patents on genes of existing species. Like spider silk is patent minefield.
That one surprises me less, based on the limited stuff I already know about GMO companies like Monsanto. Still madness, of course.
This one weird trick.
Dry cleaners hate them.
I iron like a mother fucker. Its so satisfying smoothing everything out.
Fuck you wrinkles
The beauty industry hates this one trick to stop skin from aging.
You joke but my dad once fell face first into a bonfire and blistered most of his face. When the skin grew back his dermatologist told him that a lot of people would kill for a skin treatment as good as what he wound up with. He was almost entirely blemish and wrinkle free when he healed.
You could probably manage the same with enough hot steam from an iron but it may take a bit longer.
my dad once fell face first into a bonfire
Ouch! How does one manage to… do that?
He tripped on a branch while burning brush and he has MS so the fall was the opposite of controlled or graceful.
Yikes! Neurodegenerative diseases are no joke!
Fuck yes it is. I think I’ve ironed more this century than my Boomer mother. And none of it was out of necessity.
After working as a farm hand one summer, it was like a switch flipped in my head and I really started to like button-ups and the like. Probably something along the lines of “this clothing is completely different from my work clothing and doesn’t have animal shit on it”.
No-iron shirts and slacks are still the way to go but, getting those wrinkles that escape is just so satisfying.
Me who still irons clothes
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Iron sympathizers will be dealt with harshly.
You must be a millennial
?
Because you iron
The meme talks about how millennials DON’T iron anymore
Which is either a boomer talking about zoomers because they’re too young to own irons vs anything of higher priority or some random person confessed to not ironing and thinks everyone does
It has no merit
Ironic
Don’t ya think?
I got into sewing so I do use an iron, but even then half the time I’m lazy and don’t even press my seams. I’m not very good at sewing as a result, but I have a good time all the same.
Pressing open seams, especially the ones you need to sew over again, is the one really valid use of an iron.
And having fun is a very important part of home sewing!
The other really valid reason is linen. Kinda unrelated to sewing itself and it’s not about stopping the stuff from crinkling (that’s right-out impossible), but to make sure that crinkles don’t always appear in the same place so the fabric has a chance of wearing down evenly.
Found this out the hard way because my linen duvet covers are oversized – nominal size is correct, but they’re made for down blankets, not flat ones. Blanket slides inside, generally towards the bottom, leaving a fabric flap on the top that really tends to crinkle as you sleep, wash, hang up, the crinkles don’t straighten out, exact same crinkles appear in the exact same spot and get chafed while sleeping, rinse and repeat for two years the first hole starts appearing, a month later there’s more than you can be bothered to patch.
Luckily it was a simple matter of running a stitch down the length of the thing to shorten it a bit, but given that an iron and ironing mat (not a full table, mat is completely sufficient) is significantly cheaper than linen covers or just the material for them, definitely worth the investment and time.
Oh and yes linen covers are definitely worth it because moisture regulation. It’s also nice and soft – not in the silky smooth sense, it has definitive grip to it. So are linen kitchen towels because they actually dry stuff instead of spreading water around. Half-linen is already a massive upgrade over cotton in that area and it’s much cheaper (the main reason why full linen is so expensive is because it’s a bugger to weave, not because the yarn is that much more expensive. Weaving linen wefts into cotton warps OTOH is pretty uncomplicated).
Please tell me about any sewing-related communities you’re subbed to because I want to make sure I am also subbed to them! (I love linen)
Oh that’s easy (and probably disappointing): None. Not really a hobby of mine, more of an extension to doing the laundry and being a cheapskate who can’t fathom buying something new when you can fix it in the time it takes to listen to a podcast episode.
You make good points. I can’t stand linen myself, I find it scratchy and itchy, makes my skin peel, but I realize I’m in the minority, and if you like it, it’s worth making it last.
