This was from Explaining Computers recent video about how Linux users shouldnt gate keep and criticise people for choices. Surprise, fuckers! Comments fill up with people telling everyone else how wrong they are…
I say “guy” in a generic sense, not a gender specific sense.
But the person in the original comment is wrong. “The software and driver support isn’t there” means that appropriate software does not exist. If they were being honest they would have said “Ableton doesn’t support Linux and I want to stick with Ableton so it doesn’t work for me.” Their inaccurate comment could discourage people who do not have a strong preference toward Ableton from trying Linux.
In fairness to your point, this screenshot alerted me that reaper is on Linux which is nice to know. I use it sometimes and hadn’t yet thought to check
Someone buys an expensive car. They say “I cant use the railway!” Are you going to tell them they’re wrong? We dont know if they live next to a railway line. They’re also heavily invested in the car and unlikely to pay out for rail tickets.
They didn’t say “I can’t use the railway” they said “the railway doesn’t run to [place the railway definitely runs to]”
Someone buys an expensive car. They say “I cant use the railway!” Are you going to tell them they’re wrong?
Yes. Because they are.
We dont know if they live next to a railway line. They’re also heavily invested in the car and unlikely to pay out for rail tickets.
None of which indicates they “can’t use the railway”. It may not be their preferred travel method, which is fine (in the metaphorical sense), but to say they “can’t” use the railway is simply untrue.
They both seem to be kind of reasonable. OP can’t use Linux because what they need isn’t supported. Commenter mentioned some alternatives. OP said that’s not viable for them. Commenter said, sucks, maybe someone else might find this useful.
OP couldn’t be more wrong. When you pay for a product you pay to get support on the platforms the vendor supports. He should be switching platforms to those supported by the vendor or switch to a competing product that has support for the platform he wants to use.
You have the same problem as my mother who also cannot distinguish between being told she is wrong and being called a liar.
Was about to comment the same thing…
Green guy was pointing out that fl4pper was wrong about Linux not having support for professional recording software, that isn’t the same as calling them a liar.
Isn’t the comment helpful for others who may find it, because it makes that Linux is capable of supporting music recording?
Obviously it’s not very helpful for the person who is sticking with Ableton.
No, because the person has already come to a solution that works for them. If we were to try to convince potential people into linux we should do our own instructionals promoting how-tos and giving actual demonstrations of gear and software that is working so that people looking to get into said hobby or activity can make a choice before buying peripherals.
Ableton to Bitwig should be a pretty smooth transition. You can even open Ableton project files in it.
… and yet, here you are posting this on the fediverse.
be the change, friend. fair travels.
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Response seems pretty reasonable to me.
The first response seems reasonable for me; it’s informative and replying to an ambiguous comment, as you can’t quite know if “isn’t there” refers to his individual needs or in general.
The second response is however passive aggressive garbage. Fl4ppers clarified that he was talking about his individual needs; notjustforhackers failed to take it into account, and his response sounds a lot like “I’m just sayin lol lmao… you liar”.
There is no “ackshully” and he didn’t call anyone a liar. He just said a statement was incorrect.
OP said “the software and driver support isn’t there”.
Someone replied and corrected them to explain the software and driver support does in fact exist.
OP replied to say that what he actually meant was that it didn’t support the specific software and driver they wanted to use.
Seems like a perfectly reasonable conversation.
Every time someone cries about hardware not being supported, you find out they didn’t care to look up compatibility. You can also ask the vendor, if you’re lost.
It’s like you buy a Diesel car and complain that it it’s annyoing because it breaks when you fill in gasoline.
I get what you are talking about but this is a bad example. The first post is simply incorrect. Driver issues are few and far between unless you are using hardware made by companies that specifically avoid using standards for the sake of capitalism, or software from devs that either are just as opinionated and insufferable as the Linux users that socials like to shit on or from devs that only care about every keystroke making them money.
Ableton doesn’t care about Linux because it doesn’t make enough money, the drivers part if they actually said that, is most likely an assumption or lie they made because it would end the support ticket and not cost the company anything.
People buy software like Ableton from single platform or win/Mac only devs, have a bad time and say “Linux isn’t ready” or some dumb shit like that, then people see it and think “I want to be a musician, so Linux is bad for me” or something. Meanwhile the other options in the replies work on everything, and back when I didn’t have to work all the time to barely survive at least, all of them felt significantly more intuitive than the big name industry standards. Ableton wasn’t the worst I tried but definitely a ripoff compared to a lot of other options, which also ran on Linux which is a huge selling point for us ackshully bros. Pro tools can fuck right off though.
Really though if someone in music industry is doing it for work and is locked in without choice to a software that doesn’t work on Linux, then they should just become a Mac fanboy and lock in more. Music on windows has been shit from way back and still is. A bunch of the coolest music gadgets lose partial functionality or performance on windows because m$ sucks ass at sound. Linux audio has a long history of also being shit but it has mostly left the cesspool depending on distro maintainers.
Music is such a money pit though. I like it as a hobby or pastime but for work I would be… well realistically just as depressed as my current and past lines of work.
The person you’re complaining about made a perfectly reasonable and accurate post.
Correcting clearly false information isn’t “gatekeeping”, and even if he had been an asshole about it, you pretty clearly don’t know what gate keeping means.
Leaving someone with a misconception isn’t better. Sometimes people doesn’t know that they can search for something elsewhere and it isn’t bad to point it out in case they are interested in looking for alternatives.
User experience with all software is pretty shit and Linux is no exception
That’s why I only use hardware
Bitwig Studio is so good though and it was actually made by former Ableton devs who felt it was stagnating.
What I can’t stand about Linux is people that use Linux complain about people who use Linux.
what you telling me for? go tell them, their socials are right there.
The commenter should be more polite, this tussle would leave a bad taste on the music guy regarding Linux users
