• GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip
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    8 months ago

    I’m sure not every single German during ww2 was a nazi. Your family might not actively support what’s happening but they are passively complicit and beneficiaries of what is happening by remaining in the country.

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        Why not? Most have access to citizenship from their original countries? Plus the extreme orthodox just threatened to all leave if they get included in the draft

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            70 percent were born in Israel. So thirty percent likely still have citizenship or could remain citizenship from their native land. The rest are mostly second or third generation so depending on ancestry many could claim citizenship by descent.

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              70 percent were born in Israel

              That’s pretty much “most”. Also emigration isn’t just getting a one way ticket and that’s it. Not to speak of cases of bed-ridden or otherwise incapacitated people and their caretakers

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                Ah yes. We must promote the case of the small number of settler colonizers who are bed ridden to negate the overall colonizers in an apartheid state from having to do anything

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                  No, but it’s incorrect to claim that everyone who hasn’t left (yet) supports the war. Especially since the active phase that may have changed people’s minds have started less than half a year ago and the citizenship claims that you referred to may take many years to be seen through

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                    The active phase? So we are gonna ignore the Nakba and the entire history of occupation and apartheid?

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          The fathers of 44% of Israel were born in Israel, as of 2015. I doubt they have dual citizenship, just as most Americans don’t have dual citizenship to their grandparents and great grandparents countries of origin.

          Also, most Mizrahim and Sephardim these days are living in Israel, similarly to how most Ashkenazim are in the US. Even if an Israeli somehow has e.g. Iraqi, Iranian or Yemeni citizenship, moving back probably isn’t a safe idea. Morocco is probably safer, though.

          After the fall of the USSR, there was also a huge wave of Russian emigration to Israel. Given conscription for the war in Ukraine, moving back now might not be the best idea.

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        8 months ago

        I compare them to germans who aren’t nazis living passively in nazi germany. If your family isn’t actively against what Israel is doing they are passively supporting it.

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            You act in bad-faith, you understand “Israel” to mean both Israelies and Israel but you can not conceive grouping Germans and Germany together? I ask what is difference?

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            I hate to break it to you, but the ongoing Palestinian genocide puts the Israelis on par with Nazis. Feel free to pretend otherwise, but they both were/are a group justifying killing another group based on their religion/ethnicity with the underlying true purpose of taking their land and possessions while consolidating political power.