In this thread lots of uninformed people rationalizing why it’s actually okay to use chromium.
It is ok to use whatever browser you want
I mean, define “ok” in this context
Will chrome kill you? No
Will chrome physically hurt anyone else because you used it? No
Will the internet become less free if google is able to successfully force this? Yes
Does using chrome contribute to this? Yes, marginally
Would as many people as possible switching off of chrome and chromium and onto an alternative help? Yes
I find this whole thing an interesting argument, as someone who switched from chrome to firefox for extremely unrelated reasons months ago.
The same people say “boycotts don’t work”. The facepalming here is hard. Welcome to the ad riddled future that you helped make because “people can use what they like” (because it’s being pushed by a huge corporate entity and they want you to use it so they can shove ads down your throat and you should laugh at people who would use anything different)
True fucking statement.
Most normal people don’t even know adblockers exist. Guys, if you’re going to convince people to switch away from Chrome, it won’t be on the grounds of protecting against some API or ads.
The past week every post has just been browser icons.
FFS, go browse the bottom of the Potomac.
Nice pun!
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But BrAaAVvvEe?!
Did you mean annoying crypto browser?
And thus the brave lammings set out to inform other lemmings, who are as tech savvy and know this is happening, that this is happening by posting memes. Hopefully the people, who would already be using firefox if they cared, switch to firefox so we can breach the 3% market share and that’ll show Google, maker of Chrome and Firefox’ main sponsor, people care enough to stop this madness! - I’m not against activism, but activism in an echochamber can turn into a circlejerk. Everyone stop stroking please… I’m here for the memes.
I’m not against activism
You just spent like 5 minutes reducing activism to “cIrClEjErK”. Can we leave that stupid ass phrase on reddit for Christ’s sake?
everywhere is a circle jerk or an echo chamber except the places that I post
Just look at all the people in the comments patiently explaining what the problem is and what can be done. At what point would you consider this common knowledge that is propagated and confirmed because people on this plattform have reached consensus? It is good we had this discussion for a few days, plenty of awareness has been spread on lemmy. I’m proposing to stop posting about this topic as there is nothing new added except repetition that gains traction because we agree. Call that whatever you want.
You’re not wrong that this discussion would be more productive in a privacy community or one dedicated to web browsers, but at least people see it here.
The problem I’ve seen isn’t the discussion, but the fact that some users have become disproportionately hostile toward others, using childish insults to describe their ideas like “stupid” instead of contributing anything of value.
Are you guys still using Chrome?
Yes, for now. But also brave, which I’m told I should stop doing as well. You can see how well I listen to advice.
if you want a decent browser, there is firefox and basically all its forks and brave
you shouldnt use brave if
- you dont want to support google, as brave is based on chromium
- you dont want to support the people behind it, as there are some people who say theyre bad people but i got no clue if its true
i dont like chromium so ill stick with firefox (and mullvad browser), even though im still technically supporting google since most of mozillas revenue is from google (though i believe it is better since its not software made by google)
Honestly, it’s mostly my comfort using chromium browsers (specifically chrome) for dev. I know the Firefox dev tools are way better than they used to be, but that’s one more thing to sink time into when I could instead just get things done lol.
But, it’s about that time.
you could try to degoogle chromium, if you want something similar to chrome
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god damn it, i laughed WAY too hard at this. thanks for that, my shame knows no bounds.
Haha, jokes on you, I daily drive Firefox Nightly
Firefox? That’s a strange way to spell LibreWolf.
LibreWolf? That’s a strange way to spell browsh.
Now that’s a joke to meme home about.
do you use Firefox on Mac by any chance? it’s been laggy for a few weeks now and I had to default to safari
I daily drive Linux, but I have used a Firefox on a Mac before
It feels like last week we were defending proprietary software, ads, and tracking against those mean old FOSS zealots who actually care about privacy and freedom. Are you saying we care about those things now?
We now know how much we do or don’t care about these things, based on all arguments provided. Some people might even give firefox a try after last week, which is great. I’m saying we have seen enough memes full of browser logo’s for now.
The only thing being defended was choice.
Bromite(android) and firefox(windows/linux/mac) 🔥
I like Firefox for Android. It has an extension to play YouTube videos in the background, and you can block ads using uBlock Origin. It also blocks ads on the mobile Twitter website, so I can avoid using those two shitty apps thanks to FF for Android.
I recently switched and I’m really enjoying the reader mode. Also, I highly recommend revanced for YouTube. (´ω｀)
I did too but it’s dead slow on my bacon
Fennec (android) and Firefox (PC) for most people
Will try out fennec too
Bromite hasn’t been updated in months, don’t use it.
I mentioned this before but I’m not seeing any arm only(arm32) apks
Don’t use bromite it’s not maintained anymore, use cromite.
I mentioned this before but I’m not seeing any arm only(arm32) apks
Bromite was abandoned a long time ago. Highly recommend getting off of it ASAP as there have been critical security patvhes that it hasn’t gotten.
I mentioned this before but I’m not seeing any arm only(arm32) apks
For what?
Why?
I guess because of the web environment integrity API proposed by Google. It enables your browser to tell the website it hasn’t installed AdBlock or any other undesired add on. This is marketed as improving security, but will mainly be used to block browsers which block adds.
And big plus for google: it can be extended very well. The site sees any extension installed, if the browser is headless. So only google can use bots in the future and can rake in all the ai training profits and sell all the searchengine ads.
Wei is a lot more than ad block control.
It’s not just open to Google and it doesn’t stop there either. Amazon could refuse to work if you’re on a phone and don’t have their app, or it could tell you to uninstall the Alibaba app before using
The possibilities are endless, and all benefits to be had are on the corporate side
I knew there‘d be some people with actual knowledge of the matter. Thanks for mentioning it.
I mean for some rare specific usages it could be usefull like ensuring bank webpages integrity or similar but mostly and the main usage would be for what you said.
It doesn’t though - it basically ensures your device settings.
Is that integrity? Maybe - if the attester code is flawless and handles all situations perfectly, it could theoretically add to integrity, but that’s not a realistic outcome
It’s not designed for that. It can only block the site - it doesn’t add to security, it takes away from it.
Say a bank designs their own attester - suddenly you have code that, if compromised, is always run in the most privileged execution context, in a way the user can’t control right before you enter your bank password
Indeed. So boring and useless.
I’ll stop using Chrome when I can’t block ads.
Better start moving to Firefox now because with WEI and Manifest V3 it’s not going to be very long until ads are unblockable
That’s an easy enough switch. I’ve been looking for an excuse to use Firefox instead and that’s a pretty good one.
A lot of panics turn out to be nothing, or nowhere near as bad as people thought. No reason I can’t wait until it happens to move.
If you wait enough websites will start requiring WEI and changing to a browser without it will just click you out of them
I read about Google already making it deliberately more difficult for addons to block under-the-hood trackers; do some ads not slip through uBlock on Chrome already nowadays?
I don’t use uBlock. I use AdBlock. I also have a setting to let non-intrusive ads through, because that has an influence, even if a small one, on making the internet more tolerable for everyone else.
Before I turned that on, there were always some ads that slipped through on occasion. No biggie, there’s a manual block button. No adblocker is perfect.
Are they stopping you personally?
I know that switching away from a Chromium based browser would be great, but Firefox just can’t compete with the Chromium bookmark system. That was actually the main reason I switched to Brave instead of Firefox a few years back, and from what I can see, Firefox still hasn’t changed anything about their bookmark-manager. :/
What do you mean? What is special about brave’s or chromiums bookmark manager?
Right what platinum coated bookmarks are they using? Firefox syncs bookmarks, has them organized by folders, has a bookmarks bar, can pin them to the start page, idk what else they need
As I’ve stated in the other comment, I mainly ment the UI. But there is another feature I like to use, which is the window-specific bookmark manager. I usually keep my browser activities separated with different windows(e.g. one for youtube documentaries and one for learning). With the Chromium manager, I can have one manager-tab per window. That’s not possible with the Firefox manager. It’s a small thing, but hey, it’s convenient.
Then again, the bookmark manager wasn’t the only reason I chose Brave over Firefox. If I remember correctly, I had three reasons why I chose Brave in the end:
- The bookmark manager - Reasons are stated here and in the other comment.
- Brave Ads - The privacy respecting ads make my mind feel at ease when using an adblocker, as I’m still contributing something.
- This one is the weakest one: Firefox just felt slower for me, to be honest.
I would’ve just put up with point three, but in order to leave the first two, Firefox would have to have other features I really want tu use. And that’s the problem - it doesn’t have those.
I probably should have specified that I meant the UI. You can do everything in Firefox, but for me, the Chromium UI just looks nicer, it’s “cleaner” for me, even if it comes at the cost of having the address-bar in a submenu, for example. Because I use the bookmark-manager quite often, that’s a majority points I consider. For 99% of the people, Firefox will do the job just as well as Chromium especially if you just use the bookmarks, not the manager. For some it probably looks even better. It’s just preference.
