poor people exist, poor mothers die, this is not dystopian, it’s the human condition, it maybe unfair, and point to an unfair system, but it’s not dystopian, this isn’t new, and it isn’t imagines, it’s the way things always have been. words have meaning. and this doesn’t mean that.
I think I must be missing your point then, because enhanced and/or widespread poverty is absolutely characterized by fear and distress, and thus very much fits within the definition of a dystopia.
Just because a particular social ill has existed forever in one form or another, or to a greater or lesser degree, does not exclude it from being dystopian.
From Wikipedia:
A dystopia (from Ancient Greek δυσ (dus) ‘bad’, and τόπος (tópos) ‘place’), also called a cacotopia or anti-utopia, is a community or society that is extremely bad or frightening. . . The relationship between utopia and dystopia is in actuality, not one simple opposition, as many utopian elements and components are found in dystopias as well, and vice versa.
Dystopias are often characterized by fear or distress, tyrannical governments, environmental disaster, or other characteristics associated with a cataclysmic decline in society.
my point is that poor does not automatically imply dystopian and therefor your a suggestion to the contrary (choose between “poor” and “not dystopian”) is not true, as can be seen in this handy matrix
poverty is attribute that can be present in dystopia, but it is not a necessity.
in most major dystopias in popular culture (1984, Fahrenheit 451, blade runner, logan’s run) the poverty is not the defining factor.
and on the opposite side, people can be poor, struggling through hardships, but still be looking for a bright future instead of feeling oppressed or dystopian.
as can be seen in scifi colonization stories or in real life communities in poor countries. despite lacking the wealth of the top 10% of western population, without our mortgages or antidepressants (or maybe just because of that), they can be much happier.
You’re the type of person this sub targets, buddy.
I’m sure you think the teacher who had to have their colleagues donate sick time so they could be with their child with cancer, or the kid who sold candles to pay for his friend’s wheelchair is heartwarming too.
The whole point is that people having to do stuff like that in the first place is bad, and is the result of a very sick society.
poor people exist, poor mothers die, this is not dystopian, it’s the human condition, it maybe unfair, and point to an unfair system, but it’s not dystopian, this isn’t new, and it isn’t imagines, it’s the way things always have been. words have meaning. and this doesn’t mean that.
Choose one.
Dystopia doesn’t mean what you think it does. Hint: it is not existence of poor people. It doesn’t have anything to do with poor people at all.
I think I must be missing your point then, because enhanced and/or widespread poverty is absolutely characterized by fear and distress, and thus very much fits within the definition of a dystopia.
Just because a particular social ill has existed forever in one form or another, or to a greater or lesser degree, does not exclude it from being dystopian.
From Wikipedia:
That’s just one definition, but there are plenty of others just like it: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=dystopian+definition
my point is that poor does not automatically imply dystopian and therefor
youra suggestion to the contrary (choose between “poor” and “not dystopian”) is not true, as can be seen in this handy matrixpoverty is attribute that can be present in dystopia, but it is not a necessity.
in most major dystopias in popular culture (1984, Fahrenheit 451, blade runner, logan’s run) the poverty is not the defining factor.
and on the opposite side, people can be poor, struggling through hardships, but still be looking for a bright future instead of feeling oppressed or dystopian.
as can be seen in scifi colonization stories or in real life communities in poor countries. despite lacking the wealth of the top 10% of western population, without our mortgages or antidepressants (or maybe just because of that), they can be much happier.
It wasn’t my suggestion to choose. I was just saying I didn’t understand your reasoning. Look up a bit.
But I do like the illustrations. Thank you for taking the time.
yeah, i missed that part.
You’re the type of person this sub targets, buddy.
I’m sure you think the teacher who had to have their colleagues donate sick time so they could be with their child with cancer, or the kid who sold candles to pay for his friend’s wheelchair is heartwarming too.
The whole point is that people having to do stuff like that in the first place is bad, and is the result of a very sick society.
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