Hey guys, what are your thoughts on the existence of extraterrestrial life and the potential involvement of governments in concealing or studying such entities.

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    The whistleblowers are around in an amount and level of story consistency that makes me think they are grifters.

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      Roughly estimating, there are about 500 employees from CIA subprograms making such claims. They do so under oath and without significant financial gain. If their employer were to contradict or refute their claims, they could be prosecuted criminally in the US. This is a different quality than before, where witnesses had no connection to government agencies.

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        7 months ago

        Is there a list somewhere? I’ve only heard about a handful, and according to Wikipedia the CIA only employs 21,575, so that would be quite a lot.

        If their employer were to contradict or refute their claims, they could be prosecuted criminally in the US.

        The CIA famously doesn’t confirm or deny very much.

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          I don’t know about a complete list. You also have three sources. First, David Grusch mentions 80 additional witnesses. Then there’s Dr. Steven Greer, who mentions 300 to 500 witnesses in his videos. And then there’s the “To the Stars Academy,” which is said to be purely a CIA affair. I can’t imagine that in the USA you can accuse the CIA of crimes and come from the same place. So, I consider such witnesses to be of higher value. But of course, always with caution. Once CIA, always CIA. So, targeted disinformation is also possible. But the topic has already changed. No more green men, but “there’s something.” Also, how the media in the US report. Once a UFO landing in Las Vegas. Then that in the Mal in Florida. Quite interesting.

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            Claimed witnesses mean nothing, and I have 3,000 that will back that up. /s

            Three sources. That’s what I was thinking, and their stories don’t much up or hold constant very well. It doesn’t matter what their clearance was, anybody can like dirty money (like from a book deal or appearance where they say what enthusiasts want to hear). That’s actually where most spies come from, and so why the CIA exists in the first place.

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              One can perceive many things stereotypically. However, I don’t think all UFO witnesses are bought or trying to sell books. Many just want to share their story, and in the past, they were often stigmatized and marginalized. However, that’s becoming less and less common.

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                7 months ago

                I mean, I’ve personally seen a UFO more than once. I have no idea what they were - especially the one during a thunderstorm - but I’m pretty sure they were human, just based on who normally builds things like that.

                I never had a little green man visit me, and to my knowledge most the cases of that read a lot like someone’s sleep disturbance or episode. The remainder are few enough I do go to lying. If one landed in a crowd in Arizona, I’d give it to you, aliens are here, but they just haven’t.