By not doing the things that corporations do to make things popular. Do we even need Lemmy to be popular? I think we concentrate on trying to keep the Fediverse and Lemmy user focused and privacy friendly and people will naturally come over as they get burnt on the ever increasingly enshitified corporate data-theft sites. We need to be something different than the big sites. A breath of fresh air. I think people will be OK with putting up with a few quirks to escape those toxic environments. I think Lemmy is progressing just fine and I’m enjoying it.
Do i need to?
Reddit was great because it had everything from baking to bombmaking and itwas popoular in its own communities.
Lemmy only has bombmaking and even then nobody in the bombmaking communities go to [email protected] or [email protected] or [email protected]
They go to reddit/r/bombmaking. Because thats where the people are.
Lemmy is supposed to be a better reddit alternative. But all we have right now is a big majority of “socialism is the best, all problems stem from capitalism” people. And while i totally agree with the sentiment, i do not want to have the 1000th discussion on why capitalism sucks.
Especially not if the discussion is brought up everytime by [email protected] who highjacks all threads to speak about why capitalism is bad.
Edit or rather adding onto my “rant”: I do not mean that the majority is literally “socialism is the best”-people. But we have a strong and loud majority of enthusiasts for their fields that are nieches at best in ““the real world””
That’s pretty much the biggest gripe I have with Lemmy; there can be different groups with the same general theme who never come across each others’ content, resulting in small echochambers with minimal content.
That depends on your definition of privacy. Can you elaborate ?
Compared to reddit no lemmy instance is tracking your usage metadata, and it does not share any identifiable data with other Fediverse instances other than what you explicitly share on the platform.
Ok, so I’m wondering how you explain the billions of dollars profit corporate sites generate from scraping and selling our private data? I’m also genuinely interested in how you might explain how TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter or anything Google are more privacy friendly than Lemmy?
It’s not necessarily privacy focused but it’s certainly much more privacy respecting than reddit, or any other mainstream social media company. The codebase doesn’t try and fingerprint you, the various apps don’t either so no shadow profile of you or your behaviour is being built or sold on to 3rd parties. The only info that’s stored about you (aside from IP address for mod purposes which is meaningless if you use a VPN) is what you volunteer to your instance and what you post publicly.
I’m not anti-Fediverse here, but tbf it would be ridiculously easy for data harvesting companies to plug into the API and fingerprint individual users from their activity. Admittedly, I don’t see how browser based fingerprinting could be done without hosting an instance.
Sure, it’d be easy to do that but that’s true for everything with an open API really. I don’t think that makes Lemmy less privacy respecting. The only thing a harvester could grab is the things you’ve chosen to post publicly. Is that a good thing? No, not really but it’s certainly much less invasive than being on a site/app that harvests both that and fingerprints your devices and tries to get all your OS/location data/etc at the same time.
Not only have there been major bugs with delete of comments not working on other servers, the whole idea of federation is that it gets sent out to any instance that wants a copy - with not even a ‘terms of service’ that is standard on Lemmy.
For such a communist focus that the Lemmy developers have, I’ts so odd that they don’t emphasize that content is public and have it like Wikipedia content contributions. They use GPL license to force people to share their work of the code, but then they turn around and promise privacy that they fail to deliver on given that they don’t even warn newcomers how federation works.
I’m not suggesting any Federated service is private. However, we should be aware of and always working towards preventing Lemmy (in context) from becoming anything like those abusive corporate data selling clusterfucks.
By not doing the things that corporations do to make things popular. Do we even need Lemmy to be popular? I think we concentrate on trying to keep the Fediverse and Lemmy user focused and privacy friendly and people will naturally come over as they get burnt on the ever increasingly enshitified corporate data-theft sites. We need to be something different than the big sites. A breath of fresh air. I think people will be OK with putting up with a few quirks to escape those toxic environments. I think Lemmy is progressing just fine and I’m enjoying it.
Yes otherwise this will become a tech and tankie echochamber shithole
Can you elaborate how making Lemmy like current popular sites will prevent tech and “tankie” content?
Do i need to?
Reddit was great because it had everything from baking to bombmaking and itwas popoular in its own communities. Lemmy only has bombmaking and even then nobody in the bombmaking communities go to [email protected] or [email protected] or [email protected]
They go to reddit/r/bombmaking. Because thats where the people are.
Lemmy is supposed to be a better reddit alternative. But all we have right now is a big majority of “socialism is the best, all problems stem from capitalism” people. And while i totally agree with the sentiment, i do not want to have the 1000th discussion on why capitalism sucks.
Especially not if the discussion is brought up everytime by [email protected] who highjacks all threads to speak about why capitalism is bad.
Edit or rather adding onto my “rant”: I do not mean that the majority is literally “socialism is the best”-people. But we have a strong and loud majority of enthusiasts for their fields that are nieches at best in ““the real world””
That’s pretty much the biggest gripe I have with Lemmy; there can be different groups with the same general theme who never come across each others’ content, resulting in small echochambers with minimal content.
No, you don’t need to, but I was interested in what you might say.
I’m sorry. My bias screwed with the tone that i read your question in. I am just way too confrontative.
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I don’t think Lemmy is more privacy friendly. In fact, its, arguably, even less privacy friendly that others.
That depends on your definition of privacy. Can you elaborate ?
Compared to reddit no lemmy instance is tracking your usage metadata, and it does not share any identifiable data with other Fediverse instances other than what you explicitly share on the platform.
Ok, so I’m wondering how you explain the billions of dollars profit corporate sites generate from scraping and selling our private data? I’m also genuinely interested in how you might explain how TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter or anything Google are more privacy friendly than Lemmy?
Yes, what’s the use of having alot of shitpost
How is the Fediverse privacy focused?
It’s not necessarily privacy focused but it’s certainly much more privacy respecting than reddit, or any other mainstream social media company. The codebase doesn’t try and fingerprint you, the various apps don’t either so no shadow profile of you or your behaviour is being built or sold on to 3rd parties. The only info that’s stored about you (aside from IP address for mod purposes which is meaningless if you use a VPN) is what you volunteer to your instance and what you post publicly.
I’m not anti-Fediverse here, but tbf it would be ridiculously easy for data harvesting companies to plug into the API and fingerprint individual users from their activity. Admittedly, I don’t see how browser based fingerprinting could be done without hosting an instance.
Sure, it’d be easy to do that but that’s true for everything with an open API really. I don’t think that makes Lemmy less privacy respecting. The only thing a harvester could grab is the things you’ve chosen to post publicly. Is that a good thing? No, not really but it’s certainly much less invasive than being on a site/app that harvests both that and fingerprints your devices and tries to get all your OS/location data/etc at the same time.
True.
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Not only have there been major bugs with delete of comments not working on other servers, the whole idea of federation is that it gets sent out to any instance that wants a copy - with not even a ‘terms of service’ that is standard on Lemmy.
For such a communist focus that the Lemmy developers have, I’ts so odd that they don’t emphasize that content is public and have it like Wikipedia content contributions. They use GPL license to force people to share their work of the code, but then they turn around and promise privacy that they fail to deliver on given that they don’t even warn newcomers how federation works.
I’m not suggesting any Federated service is private. However, we should be aware of and always working towards preventing Lemmy (in context) from becoming anything like those abusive corporate data selling clusterfucks.
You seddit right!!
I definitely think Lemmy needs to grow. There’s plenty of subreddits that don’t have an active Lemmy community.