• FlexibleToast@lemmy.world
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    How much of a safety issue would it really be? Cell phones didn’t really become a thing for my age range until high school. If there was an emergency, there was a landline in the classrooms.

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      Right? Somehow schools survived until at least the 2010s without every kid having a cellphone in them at all times.

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        No kidding. Not to sound like an old fogey but we did really well without them for both “emergencies” and “fact checking”. I can only see them primarily as a distraction.

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        Yeah, it would suck for the staff, but I don’t think it would be that much more unsafe. I don’t think it’s a good idea, but I don’t think it’s particularly unsafe.

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        We don’t live in that world anymore.

        Schools got by fine without the Internet until probably the mid-2000s. They got by fine without computers until probably the 90s. You can make that argument about literally anything in a school right now. We live in a society built around smart phones and tablets. We can’t just pretend we don’t.

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            I’m sorry - computers and the Internet are “just tools” but smart phones are not? Do I really need to unpack that?

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              I already did unpack it: “Smart phones are a distraction for social media 99% of the time.”

              Nor did I say the word “just”. You’re both ignoring what I did say and inserting your own words. They can be distractions with you know social media. But also back in my day they taught us Word, Excel, programming. You had a class with that. You didn’t need it in your pocket 24/7.

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                But also back in my day they taught us Word, Excel, programming

                Well that’s an anecdote which I can easily counter with my own: We all immediately got around any firewalls the school had (which were a joke, you just browsed the right path and basically got around it) and played game and all sorts of nonsense at school.

                Smartphones are here. Ban them all you want, kids get around it. Build a faraday cage, and your next active shooter gets extra time to do their work as teachers hunt for a landline. The list of cons vastly outweighs the pros. Hell just have a damn basket kids drop their phones in when they come into class. That’s still better than this nonsense.

                Prohibition culture is generally a bad idea. You can’t tell kids “don’t have sex.” You do proper sex ed. You can’t block all signals out of a school, you create consequences for continued undesired usage and teach kids responsibility. As the original comment said: https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/443382/Why-must-we-be-done-this-way#entry-comment-2266000

                Your line of thinking is what leads to rampant banning and garbage blanket solutions instead of education.

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                  Yes you can find a way to goof off in any class instead of doing your work. Isn’t that the whole point of this discussion? To remove ways to goof off, you know, smartphones. Ban them in class. And just like you can catch people playing video games in computer class, you can catch people using their phone in class. Just because some people will break rules doesn’t mean we throw our hands up and say ok then no rules.

                  You’re really comparing this to teaching abstinence? Wow. And then you rage against something as basic as rules, blaming rules for what seems like everything you think is bad. Ok then. Cheers.

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                    Just because some people will break rules doesn’t mean we throw our hands up and say ok then no rules.

                    Please show me where I said that. Because I can point to several times where I offered more nuanced approaches. It’s like you aren’t even reading my comments.

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        Ban pocket calculators because the abacus exists. Lazy kids aren’t learning how to do arithmetic because of them.

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      I don’t think y’all realize that not a single staff member or administrator or any employee of the school would be able to use a phone either (other than landlines I guess?). Schools aren’t just full of students lol

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        other than landlines I guess?

        You mean that thing I specifically mentioned? Yes, I realize that. Would it be inconvenient? Yes, it absolutely would. Would it suck to work in that environment? Again, yes it would. If I’m just thinking about safety, I’m not sure it’s that much more unsafe.

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          School shootings weren’t really a thing until after you graduated you dumb fucking boomer.

          Things change, and I’m tired of stupid trogladites inhibiting innovation because it’s different than what they’re used to.

          Get with the times, or move the fuck out of the way.

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            I’m not a boomer. And I’m in no way advocating the use of a Faraday cage. Maybe read what is actually written instead of what you think was written. Hell I work in tech trying to get people up with the times…

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          It’s incredibly unsafe when you live in a society built around smartphones/tablets for health and safety tools to remove said smartphones.

          A faraday cage is a fun thought exercise but wholly impractical. A lot of emergency systems - such as amber alerts - rely on their connectivity. A lot of schools also give out laptops/tablets.

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            It’s incredibly unsafe when you live in a society built around smartphones/tablets for health and safety tools to remove said smartphones.

            But is it? Landlines can make the same emergency calls. A Faraday cage also doesn’t mean you can’t have an internal wifi that reaches outside that the staff can connect to, or even the students can connect through with a proxy controlling their connection.

            I agree it’s impractical. But it doesn’t mean laptops and phones suddenly don’t work. They can still work within the cage and you can poke holes through it with a landline and a proxy to control traffic in and out.

            Ultimately, it’s definitely not worth the engineering and the effort. I just don’t think that safety is the reason it is impractical.

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              But is it? Landlines can make the same emergency calls

              Ok go find the nearest landline during an active shooter.

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                They’re at the front of every classroom near the teacher. Along with several in the front offices, even the nurse has one. That wasn’t difficult.

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                    I’ve done active shooter drills in the military. The first thing you do is cover the window in the door, which is often by the front of the room where the phone is. The beauty of a landline is that it doesn’t move. You can dial out to 911 and they know exactly what building you’re in without you having to even tell them. The teacher doesn’t need to hang out at the front of the room.