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  • This is buried toward the bottom of the release notes so I’m bringing it up here:

    Added instance-level default sort type

    Any admins out there considering changing their instance sort settings or asking people on their instance if they’d like this changed, given that we can individually set sorting anyway? Taking into account the inclination of people to never adjust default settings (I remain deeply curious about this tendency, as an aside), I think it might be worth at least bringing up to one’s instance community.

    If they decide they want it to remain the same, all good, and even better, it raises some people’s awareness that they can change it themselves.














  • For the moment, a lot of the fun on some of the federated platforms is behind several steps of effort that many of the corporate platforms have streamlined people out of being accustomed to taking, which is part of why they’ve kept their larger audiences. If a single click/tap is too much, that’s enough to keep some people away from here.

    It’s not a matter of laziness either, it’s more of, how much effort do I want to put into something that I’m using for casual entertainment? For many people it’s minimal, but many federated platforms currently don’t really work like that. They’ve arguably thrown the baby out with the bathwater in an overcorrection away from commercial algorithmic feeds since existing platforms have conditioned people to not have to put effort into finding silly/fun content.

    The types of people to post won’t be as inclined to post if they find their posts aren’t reaching people because people mostly have to actively seek them out to engage with them at all. The types of people to more passively engage won’t be able to as easily as those posts they might engage with may never reach them because they mostly have to actively seek them out. The end result of a lack of feedback and content for both types of people, despite there being a possibility and existence of both for them, results in this recurring sense of dissatisfaction.

    Note that this is written largely with Mastodon in mind, and to a lesser degree Lemmy. In Lemmy/Kbin/Mbin/PieFed/Sublinks’s cases I think they’re potentially better off in terms of structure and offering different ways to sort one’s feeds, but it’s a matter of more people joining to round out communities and discussion more.







  • Kind of hard to say given the structure of it. Going off the approximate data from FediDB’s charts, we may be looking at around 2 to 3 million more user accounts (around 8 million to 7.25 million), as compared with data from Stats for Bluesky of 5.24 million.

    Although I’m not sure how each is measuring this, a better point of comparison may be active users and daily posters. FediDB uses the former, and shows about 940,000 to 920,000 active users, compared to Bluesky’s about 220,000~215,000 to 190~195,000 daily posters. The latter is honestly being kind of generous, as going off the data there posting has been declining. Interestingly liking has stayed somewhat higher, hovering between 240,000 to occasional peaks of 260,000 recently.

    According to their CEO just before they opened registrations they had 1.6 million monthly users, so maybe if you run the numbers differently it looks better…But the raw stats don’t paint a great picture, at least as I read them.

    Going off Join Mastodon’s servers page (under network health), we see a figure of 942,000 monthly active users, which would suggest Bluesky should arguably have slightly more activity going off the monthly active users figure, but… 🤷‍♀️


  • On one hand, I appreciate this a lot as it’s been baffling to me that this aspect of Zot wasn’t adopted during development of ActivityPub. On the other, I kind of feel like some of this forgets or overlooks the benefits of running fully separate identities.

    I recognize that the article points to this easing that process in a way, but it’s pointing more to facets of a single identity, which benefits from some degree of interchangeability depending on those facets. This is clearest in the notion of retaining one’s connections with minimal disruption should one facet’s instance/host go offline for some reason, but also in it being relevant to maintain the same content between facets.

    This has sort of also been the issue some see with the idea of federation and the fediverse itself. Some people enjoy the different styles of posting and interaction across different non-federated/linked sites/platforms, yet in some ways federation tends to blur or break those distinctions and try, sometimes clumsily, to blend it all together. For those all in on the idea, that’s a major bonus, but for those not sold on it, it’s a major pitfall.

    In some respects I think this may kind of help those wanting to maintain different identity facets around here, but may also create a potential tripping point for those trying to more easily maintain distinct identities depending on implementation.


  • This is only somewhat related, but posting without a language selected may help across Lemmy at least. Defaults should allow seeing all languages, but for those trying to curate their feeds more to the languages they know, having a language selected that they’re filtering out means lower visibility for your posts.

    Also, at least in this post’s case, the language selected doesn’t match, so it doesn’t make much sense anyway. 😅

    More to your point, however, I honestly don’t know. There has to be an interest from those for a different community/online space to go to, and then it has to meet whatever they’re interested in posting and discussing. I kind of think more topic-focused or themed communities/instances might have more of a draw for some people, as something more open-ended may leave them at a loss of what to post about and discuss. Whereas, something a little more focused that they may know about, want to discuss, or ask and learn about, might provide an easier orientation/onboarding experience.

    Simple examples being like communities related to sports, games, tv/movies, books, music, events related to each like upcoming sports events, concerts, awards shows, etc. Keeping in line with what I mentioned above, you might make these related to those in your country, letting federation take care of seeing and keeping up with international sports, media, and events, providing your instance with more of a distinct local feed that is genuinely local.



  • How do you stay in the know about this kind of stuff? I’m curious about all the cool stuff out there I wouldn’t even know I’m curious to find.

    I was going to mention YaCy as well if nobody else was, so I can chip in to this somewhat. My method is to keep wondering and researching. In this case it was a matter of being interested in alternative search engines and different applications of peer to peer/decentralized technologies that led me to finding this.

    So from this you might go: take something you’re even passingly interested in, try to find more information about it, and follow whatever tangential trails it leads to. With rare exceptions, there are good chances someone out there on the internet will also have had some interest in whatever it is, asked about it, and written about it.

    Also be willing to make throwaway accounts to get into the walled gardens for whatever info might be buried away there and, if you think others may be interested, share it outside of those spaces.


  • As I understand it so far:

    Broad strokes general pros/cons:

    Bsky’s pros:

    • Some more influential/popular, and creative people have joined.
    • Full account migration across instances.
    • Initially at least: lower population/exclusivity, meaning less noise and fewer personality clashes, fewer trolls, so “better vibes”.
    • More focused interfaces providing smoother user experience.

    Somewhere in-between:

    • More social algorithm friendly, i.e. feeds with posts from what your followed accounts are liking or commenting on.
    • Quote posting (this one I’m counting as in-between because some Mastodon people really dislike them).
    • Full text search by default (see second point as to why I have this here.*)

    Bsky’s negatives (as of writing):

    • Fewer people overall, so can seem dead.
    • Some report phone number requirement for sign-up.
    • No post editing.
    • No video/gif posting.
    • No audio posts.
    • No direct/private/mentioned only messages.

    *-Note: Mastodon now has a form of full text search but it must enabled by instance admins and one must opt their account’s posts into search visibility for them to show up. This is the result of the years of back & forth over the feature and is an interesting compromise approach.


    Broad strokes technical pro/cons compared to Mastodon:

    Bsky/Bluesky’s tentative benefits:

    • Full account migration across instances (Personal Data Servers).
    • Personal Data Servers may have lower resource costs compared to Mastodon instances, enabling more self-hosting.
    • The underlying protocol (Authorized Transfer Protocol/ATProto) enables custom feeds to help one find what they want to see and only view that.
    • As this post details, it may enable more distributed moderation so that your host/instance isn’t necessarily the final say in what you can see.

    Tentative negatives:

    • Relays may have higher resource costs, reducing how decentralized/distributed it is.
    • Currently Bsky’s federation/decentralization is only with self-hosted Personal Data Servers, while so far as I’m aware, they’re still operating the only Relay.
    • While the protocol may enable distributed moderation, this may also be viewed as a downside as it increases complexity in regards to which moderation services/moderators to subscribe to, who to report anything to, etc.
    • Custom feeds may also create a similar problem as distributed moderation in terms of choice paralysis/confusion, and further entrenching people into echo chambers more than existing social media arguably already enables.

    Worth noting when compared to Mastodon:

    • Mastodon has partial account migration.
    • Mastodon allows post editing, video/gif/audio posts, and direct/mentioned only messages.
    • Each instance’s local feed, and even its federated feed, may be viewed as providing a sort of custom feed produced by those on the instance.
    • Probably closer to what Bluesky means: Mastodon also allows one to make lists of others to create a distinct feed, follow hashtags, and one may pin a hashtag in a column then add others to include/exclude to create a custom hashtag feed in the advanced web interface.
    • Also although it’s clunkier in Mastodon, one may export their lists, block/mute lists, and share these with others to import to their own account.
    • Bluesky also talks about different AppViews, which I think may be understood in relation to some of the different web interfaces, or apps one may use with Mastodon (one may understand this on Lemmy in a similar way, e.g. Alexandrite/Voyager~Thunder, etc.).

  • I’m still not sure what I think of this to be honest, but I appreciate some more detail on how this is designed to operate on the frontend and the backend, e.g.

    In the AT Protocol network, various services, such as the PDS, Relay, and AppView, have ultimate discretion over what content they carry, though it’s not the most straightforward avenue for content moderation. Services that are closer to users, such as the client and labelers, are designed to be more actively involved in community and content moderation.
    […]
    Infrastructure providers such as Relays play a different role in the network, and are designed to be a common service provider that serves many kinds of applications. Relays perform simple data aggregation, and as the network grows, may eventually come to serve a wide range of social apps, each with their own unique communities and social norms. Consequently, Relays focus on combating network abuse and mitigating infrastructure-level harms, rather than making granular content moderation decisions.

    (Emphasis mine.)






  • Locking this for similar reasons as I did another recent post, except this one is explicitly encouraging violent action. Further, MasterBlaster420, you seem unable to have this discussion without resorting to insulting people left and right.

    See the following:


    With this in mind, it would probably be wiser to permanently ban you from this community, but instead I’m giving a temporary ban. I’d encourage you to reflect on how you approach discussing this subject. Rather than suggesting general violence for enacting change, read further on the histories relating to the subject and really engage with them.

    Recognize why there’s an aversion to violence, who takes advantage of it to subvert its aims, and whether it may be better to help and organize those that align with you, than repel them into the arms of those you oppose.