Another quote from hexbear u might find useful

"But that’s the strawman that people conjure up about Hexbear. We must all worship at the altar of Russia, China, Cuba and NK and they are literally infallible and can’t possibly make a single bad move.

Thinking that we might have nuanced opinions on these countries, and critically analyse information to realise they’re not the fucking otherworldly demons that western propaganda paints them as, takes brainpower they don’t seem to spare."

Also, just my two cents here, but the “some of whose defectors i’ve personally conversed with” bit, doesn’t rly mean much. Talking to people who are literally a minority of a minority of a minority, who often get called out by other defectors for making stuff up, such as Yeonmi Park, doesn’t make you privy to some hidden knowledge. It just means your as gullible as every other person who buys their books and pays for their podcasts and merch.

Meanwhile, we see actually significant numbers of people in Amerikkka (ur spelling was incorrect) pointing out how bad life often is here, and the response from people like you is to go, “Well it could be worse, look at the DPRK!”
It just comes off as dishonest and lazy, and whenever somebody points it out, the response is hand wringing and excuses and baseless accusations that just look, to anyone actually paying attention, like projection.

If it worked the way u people think it does, theyd run out of people to kill within a decade or two. Please stop repeating defector nonsense, Yeonmi Park especially is not a source of factual information, even the other defectors think she’s full of shit, and that is saying something.

Pls dont bother responding to me. If u want to have an actual debate with facts and historical evidence, just go on hexbear and make a post about it. They’ll be more than happy to dig the hole and craft the coffin, all you have to do is lie in it.

Quoted from hexbear in response to your comment

“No, you racist dog, nobody thinks the DPRK or any other country is perfect (cue Moleman), but if you think Kim Jong Un is feeding teenagers to starving dogs for wearing the wrong haircut you’re definitely a racist and that’s where like 95% of the west including everyone in that thread is at.”

Thanks for the admiration of my account, I’m sure it was as honest and real as everything else in this thread. On that note, u gotta non-western propaganda source for that whole “gunning down the people renouncing citizenship” bit, or are u as full of shit as most people here? Tho, to be fair, even if the US wanted to shoot defectors, it cant rly do that when its so preoccupied with sending military aid to actual nazis and other imperialist fucks around the world. And thats when the US isnt shooting brown people and lying about its past actions on the world stage.

Edit: I will admit tho, I did make this account for this thread and only this thread. I did the same for reddit, when a bunch of people were trying to downplay how terrible american slavery was, made quite a few people very unhappy. I’ll likely fuck off back to the abyss after i lose interest here like the creepy little shit-stirring goblin I am, but hopefully I’ll still be here to respond to whatever comment u leave for me. If i get signed out tho, thats me done. I didnt bother saving the password.

So why do they keep sending them back?

Is there supposed to be a slash between exclude and prevents? Because its a little annoying to try and understand what ur saying when its written like that.

As of May 15, 2023, a total of 5,315 US citizens have renounced their US citizenship in 2023. This is a significant increase from the 2,390 US citizens who renounced their citizenship in 2022.

Source: https://www.kron4.com/business/press-releases/ein-presswire/635422762/2023-expat-trends-survey-by-greenback-reveals-nearly-1-in-5-americans-abroad-want-to-give-up-their-us-citizenship/

The number of North Koreans who defected to South Korea tripled last year, as the easing of border closures imposed during the Covid-19 pandemic encouraged students, women and diplomats to make the perilous journey. At 196…

I know right? So stupid.

"Expands arms embargo and non-proliferation measures, including small arms and light weapons, catch-all provisions to ban any item if related to prohibited programmes, dual-use nuclear/missile items, and operational capabilities of DPRK’s and another Member States’ armed forces.

Enforces new cargo inspection and maritime procedures, including mandatory inspection on cargo destined to and originating from the DPRK; ban on DPRK chartering of vessels and aircraft; ban on operating DPRK vessels or using DPRK flags; ban on flights (of any plane) or port calls (of any vessel) if related to prohibited items, prohibited activities, and designated persons or entities.

Expands financial measures, including an assets freeze on Government of the DPRK and its Workers’ Party entities associated with prohibited programmes and activities; clarifies that assets freeze includes vessels; prohibits DPRK banks from opening new branches; requires States to close existing DPRK bank branches in their territories; prohibits Member States from opening branches in the DPRK; requires States to close existing offices in the DPRK if related to prohibited programmes or sanctions violations.

Enforces sectoral sanctions (coal, minerals and fuel ban) and prohibits its procurement and/or transfer by Member States. Adds new items to the luxury goods ban.

Clarifies ban on hosting of DPRK trainers, advisors or other officials for police, paramilitary and military training; Ban on specialized training or teaching for DPRK nationals in specific fields that could contribute to the DPRK’s proliferation-sensitive activities.

Requires Member States to expel DPRK diplomats and foreign nationals involved in illicit activities.

Designates additional 16 individuals and 12 entities.

OMM vessels are subject to the assets freeze. Of the 31 vessels listed in Annex III of resolution 2270 (2016), 4 were removed by the Committee by its decision of 21 March 2016 (Security Council press release SC/12296) and an additional 5 were removed by the Committee by its decision of 17 December 2016 (Security Council press release SC/12636."

Now back to ur echo chamber.

Edit:

S/RES/2375 (2017) Introduces a full ban on the supply, sale or transfer of all condensates and natural gas liquids to the DPRK;

Introduces a limit for all refined petroleum products in terms of the amount allowed (for supply, sale or transfer to the DPRK) with very specific preconditions and follow-up action required by Member States, the 1718 Committee and the Committee Secretary;

Introduces restrictions on the supply, sale or transfer of crude oil to the DPRK in any period of 12 months after the adoption of the resolution in the amount that is in excess of the amount Member States supplied in the period of 12 months prior to the adoption of the resolution (11 September 2017);

Introduces a ban on the export by the DPRK of textiles (including fabrics and partially or fully completed apparel products);

Introduces a ban on Member States from providing work authorizations for DPRK nationals, other than those for which written contracts have been finalized prior to the adoption of this resolution (11 September 2017);

Expands financial sanctions by prohibiting all joint ventures or cooperative entities or expanding existing joint ventures with DPRK entities or individuals;

Directs the 1718 Committee to designate vessels transporting prohibited items from the DPRK;

Introduces further clarifications with regard to the call on Member States to inspect vessels with the consent of the flag State, on the high seas, if there are reasonable grounds to believe that the cargo of such vessels contain prohibited items, including specific obligations of the flag State and Member State requirement to report to the Committee of non-cooperation by a flag State;

Directs the 1718 Committee to designate additional WMD-related and conventional arms-related items;

Designates one additional individual and three entities.

                               And

FACT SHEET: UN Security Council Resolution 2397 on North Korea Home | | FACT SHEET: UN Security Council Resolution 2397 on North Korea facebook sharing buttontwitter sharing buttonemail sharing buttonsharethis sharing buttonprint sharing button December 22, 2017

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

In response to the November 29, 2017 intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) launch by North Korea, United Nations Security Council resolution (UNSCR) 2397 imposes strong new sanctions on North Korea’s energy, export, and import sectors with new maritime authorities to help shut down North Korea’s illicit smuggling activities. UNSCR 2397 builds on UNSCR 2375 (2017), which included the strongest sanctions ever imposed on North Korea, and prior resolutions. This resolution imposes the following measures:

1. Refined Petroleum Products (OP5): Reduces UNSCR 2375 annual cap on refined petroleum exports by 75% to allow a maximum of 500,000 barrels/year to North Korea.

In 2016, North Korea imported 4.5 million barrels/year of refined petroleum. After the September nuclear test, the Security Council capped refined petroleum exports to North Korea at 2 million barrels. By reducing this cap to 500,000 barrels, North Korea’s import of gasoline, diesel, and other refined products will be cut by a total of 89% from summer 2017. 2. Crude Oil (OP4): Strengthens UNSCR 2375 freeze on crude oil by establishing a 4 million barrels/year or 525,000 tons/year annual limit. Increases transparency of crude oil provided to North Korea by requiring supplying member states to provide quarterly reports to the 1718 Sanctions Committee on amounts of crude oil provided to North Korea.

3. Commitment to Future Oil Reductions (OP27): Commits the Security Council to reduce further petroleum exports to North Korea following another nuclear test or an ICBM launch, sending a strong new political signal to North Korea about future Security Council responses.

4. Countering Maritime Smuggling (OPs 9-15): Provides additional tools to crack down on smuggling and sanctions evasion, including a new requirement for countries to seize and impound ships caught smuggling illicit items including oil and coal.

5. North Korean Overseas Workers (OP8): Requires countries to expel all North Korean laborers earning income abroad immediately but no later than 24 months later (end of 2019).

The North Korean regime is believed to be earning over $500 million each year from heavily taxing the nearly 100,000 overseas North Korean workers, with as many as 80,000 working in China (about 50,000) and Russia (about 30,000) alone. Exempts the repatriation of North Korean defectors, refugees, asylum seekers, and trafficking victims who will face persecution and torture when repatriated by the North Korean regime. 6. Ban DPRK Exports (OP6): Bans all remaining categories of major DPRK exports.

Previous Security Council resolutions banned North Korea’s export sectors covering around 90% of its export revenue (e.g., coal, textiles, seafood, iron). Banning the remaining major export sectors – including food, agricultural products, minerals machinery, electrical equipment – will cut off $200 million or more of annual export revenues. Revenues from these exports in 2016 constituted nearly 10% of total exports or $264 million. 7. Ban DPRK Imports (OP7): Bans North Korea from importing heavy machinery, industrial equipment, and transportation vehicles, which constituted about 30% of North Korea’s 2016 imports worth nearly $1.2 billion. Exempts the provision of spare parts for civilian passenger aircraft for air safety reasons.

8. Protects Humanitarian and Diplomatic Activities in North Korea: Imposes new measures aimed at the North Korean regime and the elite by targeting industrial and other major economic activities while preventing North Korea from exporting food and agricultural products. Provides a number of exemptions aimed at protecting the delivery of humanitarian assistance to the North Korean people and not impeding the work of diplomatic and consular missions operating in North Korea.

9. Sanctions Designations (Annexes): Adds 16 new individuals and 1 entity connected to the financing and development of North Korea’s nuclear and ballistic missile programs to the UN’s sanctions list