I mean… you can already kinda do that right? Raise your children to have similar values to you and they’ll vote like you when they grow up. That happens constantly. There’s just an 18 year latency to it. Obviously you lose the vote once they grow up to vote by themselves. I feel like you’re making a bit of a strawman out of what I’m saying here. We clearly just disagree and that’s okay.

The idea is that the parent represents the child. We don’t trust children to make an informed vote, but we trust parents to make all kinds of choices for their children, including extremely personal choices. The current alternative is to not give children a vote at all. I think letting parents choose the vote for their child is better, and fits pretty well with all the rest that parents currently choose for their child. I also think it’s better than simply letting children of all ages vote, since again, they probably won’t be able to make an informed vote.

In that regard, they already have representation by their parents’ votes.

But that vote only counts as much as one person, so it doesn’t give any more representation to the child if you ask me. My whole point is that a parent should have outsized voting power because they represent two persons, not one (okay actually each parent would get 1.5 votes as the child’s vote would be split on each parent but my point is the same).

Until they reach that point, it’s essentially their parents or guardians getting an extra vote.

Honestly I’ve sometimes thought that parents ought to be able to vote for their kids. At least that gives some form of representation to children.

a bit of text you can send to them by whatever secure side channel you want down to handing them a flash drive

Normal non-technical people are never going to do this. It needs to be easy as clicking a button, otherwise it will never happen for them. Again, this is a neat technical solution but it completely forgets the human.

Yea in theory you wouldn’t need the password if you have the private key but here the key is only used for signing, maybe not for login. If it also needs to be backwards compatible. In any case, I don’t think user-held private keys is viable.

Sharing with trusted parties… I dunno, I think again it’s too technical and complicated to do it. And you’d need people on the platform you trust to already be there.

Seems very technically oriented haha. But sounds like a cool project.

How does Hubzilla work? I haven’t really heard much about it, just heard the name.

I’m curious just because I never use ropes or knots - what kind of work or activity do you do where you use that regularly?

That’s hardly low tech, especially not the newer ones.

Because anyone can grab the same name, on a different platform.

That’s always the case, even for centralized platforms. Usernames are just usernames. Same thing with email. This is a fundamental problem with the internet and the solution is that celebrities and such host their own ActivityPub server (just like their own email server) or make it clear on their personal website what their own official account is somewhere else.

I don’t know why it wasn’t the solution people jumped on when Reddit admins started fucking up instead of leaving to go on Lemmy where admins are still a thing…

One reason is that Nostr is filled with crypto-bros who think cryptocurrencies is the future. The whole Nostr space is filled with bitcoin news and deranged people yelling “HODL”. Not surprising coming from a social media that makes it harder to ban you and encourages more absolute free speech.

I think the UX on Nostr is also just worse. You need to keep a private key for yourself I believe and that’s just a technical hurdle and annoyance that most people don’t want to deal with.

Another reason is that people like having admins. People want moderated places. People don’t want to bother moderating stuff themselves. People don’t want douchebags calling them stuff all the time and having to block stuff. Admins and moderators provide that service and users like that.

I get that you’re frustrated that the admins at Reddit were mistreating you. The answer to that is not “abolish all admins” but rather “choose better admins”, if you ask me at least. The good thing on the fediverse is that you can go to another place if you feel the current place isn’t run by reasonable people.

automated solution

On the other hand, any automated solution will be possible to work around. Such a system would be open source like the rest of Lemmy and you’d know exactly the criteria you need to live up to to avoid getting hit by the filter.

Email verification is super easy to get around. It’s practically not a barrier at all.

It sounds like nostr. Why don’t you just use that?

That said, it’s not realistic to have everything be public. But whatever, I’m not going to argue this any more.

I think you’re totally misunderstanding how decentralization works. It sounds like you think it should be a free for all and everyone should be free to access everything. But again, the fediverse is about choice. It’s totally okay for an admin to be able to cut off another instance. It’s their instance, that’s up to them. Nobody wants absolute free speech.

If you don’t like that, go to another instance that doesn’t do that and if you get cut off from another instance by another admin, maybe consider joining that instance or another instance that isn’t defederated.

And consider also that this power is great motivation for everyone to stay nice and well moderated. If you are mean or spammy or whatever, you get defederated. So you better be nice! That’s a great feature if you ask me.

No! That’s exactly what you can’t do, because if you tried you’d get banned by the admin! In your scenario, there are no admins to stop such a bad actor. But ultimately admins control what communities are on their instance, so you can’t just hijack all communities like that.

Reddit does have an instance, in that sense. There’s just only one. Reddit has admins too. They can even ban entire communities and you can’t go to another instance to make the community again.

Also again if there are no instances I’m really at a loss for where these communities are hosted and who is legally responsible, for instance, to remove illegal content.

Well other admins should be entirely in their right to cut you off. Same as anyone should be able to block you. If another admin decides to cut you off, that’s up to them, you can’t stop that and shouldn’t be able to. That is anyone’s freedom.

But usually it is not a problem, as long as you are reasonable. Why would another admin block you if you are reasonable?

They really have as little power as they can given the constraints. If you don’t want an admin to have power over a lot of people, join a small instance and advocate others do the same.

It really sounds like you just want to be your own admin though. Maybe a personal instance would be a way for you.