One is much more useful to the Capitalist and so it will ultimately prevail. The capitalist will devote all resources to crushing the leftist populism up to and including directly funding fascism.

Unless. We have to spread these ideas to as many people as possible. We can’t afford to call it early.

That seal is going in the stew. 👩 👊🦭

the West is also the cultural space where being housed by your parent is a form of unhealthy dependence

I think it was common for previous generations to believe that, but I do not believe that is the case for millennials and gen z. The issue is that our society has systems of oppression that remove a person’s choice about where they get to live. It’s not an accident that the housing market is this way.

The issue is not if some people stay home with their parents. The issue is when it becomes wide spread over the population. What we’re seeing with the housing market and more people with the financial necessity to live with their parents is a form of generational control. Conservatives want younger generations more dependent on their parents for housing so their parents have a say over those younger generations longer.

If a person’s parents control whether or not that person has a roof over their head, then that person is less likely to engage in political behaviors, life style choices, or life saving medical treatments like HRT, that could upset their parents. This could depend on the politics of a person’s parents, but the the trend is for younger generations to be more progressive than older generations.

Political neuroscience is an interesting field. I remember hearing about similar studies years ago on podcasts. A quick google revealed the field has had numerous studies done in the last year alone.

I don’t feel that this section inherently contradicts what I am trying to say and perhaps is intended to be supporting evidence. The fact that the differences between conservatives and liberals can be measured means that the disagreements stem from a real place. However, the article mentions that this does not mean agreement is impossible. It means that the two groups need to be approached differently with the same information.

Andrea Kuszewski, a researcher who has written about political neuroscience, would rather put a positive spin on what it could mean for politics. She says this kind of knowledge could help open up communication, or at least ease hostility between the country’s two major political parties.

“Each side is going to have to recognize that not everyone thinks like them, processes information like them, or values the same types of things,” she wrote last week. “With the state our country is in right now, I don’t think we have any choice but to cowboy up and do whatever needs to be done in order to reach some common ground.”

Do you mind elaborating on the intention of sharing the quoted section of the linked article? I don’t want to assume and I want to engage with what you mean.

but the Biden administration is firmly behind Israel…

Reporting would suggest this is not the case.

Biden administration staff sign open letter demanding cease-fire in Israel-Hamas war

I don’t feel safer because I’ve seen the slide towards fascism way before Trump and I know it will continue towards fascism because this slide includes the support and enabling of Democrats. There is no getting off this train by just electing Biden or the next assless Democrat who will just watch as fascists consolidate power.

Our decent into fascism started with Regan. Although it can be argued Republicans were trying even earlier with Nixon, they just screwed it up.

Democrats are controlled by neoliberals. But they are the most progress option we have and their party includes most of the progressive politicians that we have. Older politicians are finally aging out. Given enough time Democrats could be become a true progressive party and an effective deterrent against fascism. In the mean time, they are the only alternative.

I want the Democratic party to be more progressive, but I know voting for them is only way to stop a fascist takeover from happening.

It’s really telling to me you still consider this a democracy that is against genocide. The President is literally funding and arming a genocide that is happening right now. And when the choice is between a President who supports genocide or a President who supports worse genocide, how is that not already a dictatorship? How is that a functioning democracy? That is why it is even a question.

Biden supports Israel’s right to defend itself, not genocide. Netanyahu and his government chose to commit war crimes, not Biden. Biden has of course gotten this issue wrong. He should be demanding a ceasefire, among other things. Hopefully given enough pressure Biden will change his stance.

What’s been weird about this argument is the commitment to equivocating two individuals who could not be more different. Biden is a neoliberal. Trump is a fascist. Everyone can spot the difference. No one can be fooled by such a thinly veiled deception unless they choose to be. Why are you letting yourself be fooled? The people who want our country to descend into fascism don’t have our best interests at heart. Why go so willingly to our deaths at the hands of the Republicans? The Palestinians won’t be better off with America as a fascist dictatorship. The only way to help the Palestinians, ourselves, or anyone else is with a democracy. Do you just want to guilt trip me or do you think it will somehow get better if we lose our democracy? edit: typo

But you haven’t stopped fascism by voting for Biden, you’ve supported it.

By electing Biden we stopped the fascist takeover in America by another four years. By not voting for Biden, you helped Trump, a fascist.

Sure.

Yep. The truth is Russia lies.

Your vote didn’t stop fascism.

The fascists need to control all three branches of government to complete their take over. We are currently denying them the executive branch. By controlling the Senate as well, we retain the means to appoint judges at all levels of the federal government, not just the Supreme Court. Undoing the damage done by Trump, getting a liberal majority on the Supreme Court and fixing the flaws in our democracy that enabled the fascists in the first place could easily take decades. And during that time we are always going to be one election away from the fascists taking over all three branches of the federal government. We’re going to be voting fascists out of office and preventing fascists from taking office for a while. I believe as long as people continue to tell each other about the danger these fascists present to us all then we will continue to beat them in elections.

He’s been a friend and suporter of Netanyahu for over 40 years, almost half a century; he has continued funding, arming, and militarily as well as politically defending Israel while they commit genocide, but somehow none of that doesn’t make him a fascist supporter yet? Oh, but I didn’t know he was forced to be friendly with fascists. He has little recourse but to deal with fascist genociders, what a shame. Yet he has full power to not recognize or deal with states like Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, and so on. Weird how that works. It’s almost as if he wants to be on friendly terms with the far Right in Israel for some reason, but I guess I just don’t understand the high levels of geopolitics

Right, the US has been supporting Israel for over 70 years. By your logic, everyone in America is a fascist. Rather than acknowledging the complexity of the Israel-Palestine conflict, you want it to be simple. Israel is bad so America is bad. Biden is American therefore he is bad. The fact that Jews were the victims of the holocaust and Biden wants to foster a country where they can live in peace is simply not a possible motivation as far as you’re concerned. He must want to enable the far right extremists to commit genocide. I could go into detail about I how I think the state of Israel centered in the ‘Holy Land’ was a terrible mechanism to achieve lasting peace for anyone. Problem is we inherited a globe carved up by indifferent Europeans who had no idea what they were doing when they drew the maps. We can try to fix these problems or we can enjoy a position of moral superiority that comes with taking sides. I’m choosing the former.

Yeah, those Palestinian children are much safer in the ground surrounded by their families. You have supported fascism, not everyone is safer because of it. Fascists are safer, though, there’s that at least.

More Palestinian children would be dead if the fascists were in power under Trump. You ignoring that isn’t making me look like a fascist.

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You’re delusional if you are not even willing to admit to yourself you voted for a fascist enabler because you wanted to feel safer.

I mean, I do feel safer. You should too. I voted for Biden to stop the fascist take over. I didn’t fully realize how much of a danger it was until Jan 6th. But it’s become crystal clear to me since.

That’s a functional democracy worth defending at the cost of supporting genocide to you?

A democracy that is against genocide is better than a fascist dictatorship that actively pursues genocide at home and abroad. How is that even a question?

I’m not even going to address your either blatant lie or severe historical amnesia about Democratic evangelism, despite the fact you are still proving my point by arguing that choosing Biden to Trump was the morally superior choice and that not voting for Biden ipso facto makes you a Trump supporter (which is morally inferior).

Morality sucks. It often leads people to the wrong conclusions. It’s not about moral superiority. It’s about stopping fascism and millions of deaths.

Is this the same Ukraine where he sends arms and money without demanding that said arms and money do not go towards Nazi regiments such as Azov? Supporting one fascist group which trains US-born fascists against another fascist group has prevented fascism from spreading?

The Azov Brigade has been denazified. The founders of the militia are now in their own political party which thankfully has won zero seats last I checked. Russian propaganda isn’t credible information.

Are you sure that’s all he could do? So he’s powerless to protect us from Christofascists in power? We just have to wait it out?

I have read the constitution. Appointing Supreme Court justices is in fact all he can do in regards to the Supreme Court. The Republicans waited 50 years to take our freedoms away. Now we may very well have to spend 50 years voting to get them back. This is why elections matter.

Here is a transcript. You’ll want article two, section two, paragraph two.

Is Biden’s “unwavering support” for Israel’s Right-wing and genocidal fascist Netanuayu not fascist-enabling? What then is the difference between being “wrong” by funding and arming Israel and continuing to defend them politically, and being a “fascist enabler”?

Biden doesn’t support the fascist right wing of Israel. It’s hard for any world leader to single out the political parties of another country. World leaders have little recourse but to interface with other world leaders. We are reaching a point where we are going to have to start denouncing countries for putting fascists in power. This of course goes against decades of foreign policy of sticking with your allies no matter what. But we are going to have to because fascist dictatorships are incentivized to betray democracies.

Yeah, the difference is you feel safer.

Right. Because I am. And so is everyone else.

Who raised the issue of Trump or the Republican Party when I discussed Biden?

Multiple people did. It’s not whataboutism if the issues are linked. Which they are.

Do you still feel it is a democracy worth defending by approving genocide when the choice is a fascist-enabler and a fascist?

This statement is not based in reality. Trump is a fascist and fascist enabler. Biden is not.

Whataboutism. It’s obnoxious when it isn’t being used against your opponents, right?

It’s not a whataboutism if the issues are linked. Which they are.

I haven’t supported any fascists. The Democratic Party, on the other hand, was the one who guilted you into enabling fascists. Netanyahu has gone mask-off fascist and the Democratic Party guilted you and others into voting for Biden who has been enabling Netanyahu for decades, and continues to do so now. How many people have to be murdered for you to stop supporting Biden? Do you feel any guilt or shame for voting to empower Biden who shipped weapons and sent money to Israel to bomb children and their families?

It’s a two party system. Republicans win with low voter turn out. By not voting for Biden you are helping Trump. It’s just math. You can’t guilt people into supporting a fascist like Trump.

Ah, yes, it’s only my imagination and projection that Democrats were drunk with feelings of moral superiority in the last two elections.

Yes.

Apologies but you are the one in the echo chamber. Our path is inevitable.

You are in echo chamber. We have a chance to avoid disaster but only if we vote the Republican fascists out.

What has Biden done to prevent fascism spreading domestically and abroad? How has Biden stopped the death squads of the IDF killing Muslims right now? When has Biden protected Americans from the Christofascist Supreme Court? How is it worth voting to support genocide to protect a so-called ‘democracy’ when the choice, according to you, is a fascist-enabler and a fascist? When is it worth families being murdered to make you feel safe?

Biden kept us in NATO and is supporting Ukraine. Biden appointed a progress supreme court judge, which is all he can do until more supreme court judges die of old age. Biden has gotten the current events in the Israel-Palestine conflict wrong, but that does not make him a fascist enabler or a fascist. Biden wanted Israel to defend itself from Hamas and minimize civilian casualties. He didn’t tell Israel to commit war crimes.

Trump is a fascist and a fascist enabler. More families will be murdered under him. I feel safer knowing he isn’t in the White House, instructing Israel to commit war crimes. The difference is millions of lives.

More whataboutism. Trump isn’t the President overseeing and providing cover for the genocide right now and Biden hasn’t helped in undoing neither the inhumane incarceration system nor the camps (‘migrant detention centers’) already underway in the US.

I have already refuted this argument so I’m just going to copy and paste my earlier response.

Whataboutism.

the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue.

The choice to vote for Biden is linked to the choice to vote against Trump. They can not be separated from one another. To do so is to be disingenuous. We live in a democracy with a two party system. The Republican party is disproportionally represented by our electoral system and win with low voter turn out.

Since we can not separate the choice of voting for Biden and rejecting Trump, it is justified to bring up what Trump and the Republicans would do. If we want any chance of the US demanding a ceasefire then we need to reject the Republican party who will blindly support Israeli no mater what.

But I asked you what could be worse than genocide, and you responded by saying genocide. So, nothing can be worse than genocide? Great, then we are well on our way.

The collective punishment we are seeing now is the start of genocide. It is not the full genocide. The difference is millions of people. There is no credibility to an argument that refuses to acknowledge this difference.

Even if it isn’t completed now, Biden has been more than helpful to the far Right colonizers in Israel by enabling this and setting precedent for whenever they wish to continue. Democrat or Republican, it doesn’t matter, Israel has validity now to continue genocide. And Democrat or Republican, it doesn’t matter, voters like you have spoken—support is unconditional, let genocide continue.

No Trump would be worse. He was the one who moved our embassy to Israel. He is the one who is going to destabilize the situation further. Half of the Democratic party wants a ceasefire. Republicans want unconditional support for Israel. Have you ever watched or read fox news? The difference between the parties becomes quite clear, very quickly.

Where do you draw your line? How many murdered Palestinian families do you find acceptable?

You can’t guilt someone into enabling fascists. It doesn’t work. Think about all the people the Republicans are going to get killed. It’s not equivalent.

The only one who feels morally superior here is you. I implore you to reconsider. By not voting for Biden you are enabling a Republcian lead christofascist take over of the United States. Once the US becomes a fascist dictatorship it will support the fascist takeovers that are happening in Israel and India. Millions of muslims will die all over the world as a result. It’s not about being morally superior, it’s about avoiding firing squads killing all of us. Please get out of whatever echo chamber you’re stuck in. It’s going to get us all killed. edit: typo

Certainly not 11 thousand. Why are more murdered Palestinians acceptable to you? Do you seriously think you’re going to guilt trip people into getting more people killed?

Israel could genocide all 2.2 million people living in the Gaza Strip, all 3 million people living in the West Bank, the 1.6 million Palestinian people who live in Israel, the 5.5 million people living in Lebanon and get into a massive conflict in the Middle East where they end up using nuclear weapons.

Oh, and Trump could deport the 225 thousand Palestinian people living in the United States so Israel can genocide them too. Or just do it here in America. The Republicans will almost certainly streamline the death penalty and turn America’s mass incarceration system into death camps.

Trump would have enabled and emboldened Israel’s government to kill more Palestinians. That would have been a worse outcome. There is no such thing as rock bottom. It can always get worse.

I also avoided another disastrous four years under Trump. I can live with the choice to vote for Biden because everyone in the world will be worse off under Trump. So, you’re welcome.

Whataboutism.

the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue.

The choice to vote for Biden is linked to the choice to vote against Trump. They can not be separated from one another. To do so is to be disingenuous. We live in a democracy with a two party system. The Republican party is disproportionally represented by our electoral system and win with low voter turn out.

Since we can not separate the choice of voting for Biden and rejecting Trump, it is justified to bring up what Trump and the Republicans would do. If we want any chance of the US demanding a ceasefire then we need to reject the Republican party who will blindly support Israeli no mater what.

It’s sushi. The carbs form four sides of the cube.