There’s a big cultural divide for Illinois, Chicago isn’t very “Midwest” compared to downstate.

So wild conspiracy theories are the new talking point, bizarre

Guess anything that goes against your opinion is staged propaganda/ai so we can jam our heads in the sand

Maybe because details matter to a story? Shows the scope of the conflict and will affect how the world responds.

The only reason they can cut off water and power is because Israel provides them with those things. PA has been given money to develop infrastructure, but Hamas chooses to cut up pipes to build rockets and use cement for smuggling tunnels.

https://i.imgur.com/ZSZcVyE.jpg

Here is a post, translation below

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I mean everyone saying ignore the reports and that Hamas would never do anything that bad

We’ve seen what Hamas will do already, and this is also being reported by multiple sources

Jam your head in the sand and support terrorism?

Verified by multiple international sources at this point

Source on bombing shelters? This is being repeated all over the place and I can’t find anything

Look up Black September and what’s happened when Palestinians were allowed into Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, and Syria. Gaza gets called an “open air prison” and Israel gets blamed, but they are there because no one else will have them

I’ve seen this on lemmy, but is there a real source?

Lemmy has a huge tankie problem and it becomes really apparent when a situation like this comes up

Why tankies/leftists think Palestine is in any way aligned with them is beyond me

Hamas launches rockets from a civilian site and tells people not to leave when IDF warns them the building will be targeted shortly

Israel is trying to limit collateral damage and Hamas is actively throwing people into danger

I’m not sure what you mean by that, the West Bank is on the other side of the country

Edit: Nevermind, I get it. I’m really not sure, I guess Egypt/Jordan could facilitate people moving from Gaza to the West Bank

Is the concept of civilians vs military targets difficult for you to understand?

I’m not going to defend forcefully displacing innocents, obviously that is an atrocity in its own right. But it’s not indiscriminate killing like people are claiming.

Not having that data is exactly the point, if they had that sure they could specifically cut power. But they don’t have that, and Hamas is mixing with civilians, so they’re forced to cut power across the board

Hamas was elected in 2006 but has held on to power since. A poll from a few years back showed 52% support still, but I would hope that’s had a steep crash now

Do you have specific instances of Israel actually targeting civilians when they’re not being used as human shields? They’ve bombed civilian buildings, but usually because Hamas uses those buildings to house weapons. And with roof knocking/alerts, they are at least making some effort to limit collateral damage

There’s a ton of users here who seem to be so blinded by “America bad” and trying to have the biggest brain contrarian take. Half the time it leads them to into a pants on head level argument that ignores basic, undeniable facts such as “intentionally targeting hundreds of civilians and proceeding to kill, rape and torture them is wrong”