Is this experiment not govt funded?

How do I contact the IDF I have an airstrike target for them

They said they’re willing to, but only in exchange for a permanent ceasefire and the release of Palestinian prisoners

Ok but the weapons are still flowing. It’s all theater until that changes.

He literally moved the us embassy to Jerusalem. He’s definitely not pro hamas

So instead of voting for a 3rd party that’s actually anti-zionist, ur gonna vote for one of the only people who could make the situation worse than genocide Joe?

I mean ideally you could work towards a single secular state, that way you don’t have Hamas in power and Israel doesn’t get to commit genocide.

Unfortunately the power here is held by Israel, and there’s a 0 percent chance they would willingly give up their ethnostate and live in peace with Palestinians unless they were forced to.

I mean independently verified. The idf has a history of lying and some of the stuff mentioned in that article has already been disproven.

Has there even been any evidence of that?

If Hamas was freedom fighters, then your exact same defense applies to the Israeli military, and it’s a neverending cycle of “justified” violence.

Yeah. That’s true. There will be continued death and destruction until Israel tries for peace by undermining Hamas politically, not violently. Or until Israel ethnically cleanses the vast majority of Palestinians, which it seems like they’re trying to do.

Hamas is a resistance group, even if their tactics are awful. Their goal isn’t to provoke the most awful Israeli responses possible, but to retaliate for the violence that the IDF does. This has been the case for a while, and October 7th is really the main exception because I doubt Hamas predicted how far they’d get. Even with the Oct 7 attack, Hamas literally tried to trade their hostages for women and children in Israeli prisons. They tried to use their hostages as leverage to get Israel to stop bombing civilians as much. They have to care about Palestinians to some extent, because if enough citizens of Gaza decide the PA is a lot better, Hamas won’t exist anymore, or at least lose power.

Because they are a terrorist group.

You say this like it means anything. The ANC (fought apartheid south africa) was also a terrorist group. So was the FLN (fought french in the Algerian revolution), the Viet Minh (first Indochina war, against the french), and many other resistance groups.

Currently, Israel is killing civilians and children at a higher rate than Yemen. And yemens population is 16 times that of gaza.

No it doesn’t make fuckin sense unless you don’t understand why hamas exists. Let’s assume that Palestinians aren’t people, and it’s morally acceptable to kill dozens of them to get one or two Hamas guys. Now, you have a ton of family members of those dead people who are extremely angry at Israel for killing their family and friends. Do you think those people just sit down and die quietly? No, quite a few of them join a terrorist organization to fight back. So now, by bombing that hospital, you’ve created more terrorists than you’ve killed.

I’d rather not have to scroll through the gore videos on telegram to find it again, sorry.

There was one of a some vile Hamas pigs shooting a young woman in a car and dragging her body out while cheering. There was another of a child with his face burned off by white phosphorus or some other horrific weapon right next to his crying father. And there was one video from a few years ago, where a monster from the IDF snipes a child through a fence and treats it like a game. Those fucked me up.

I’m also curious, how much have you seen so far of the conflict? Particularly this year? Have you watched the massacre videos and Israel’s response yet? I think watching footage of the massacre is a must-have, considering it’s one of the most violent terrorist attacks of recent years.

I’ve seen a lot of violence on both sides that I wish I hadn’t seen.

I looked through that wikipedia page, and most of the stuff about Jerusalem seems to be either both sides stopping negotiations, or more recently Israel wanting Palestinians to make concessions that they shouldn’t have to make.

I’m pretty sure the lower terrorist attacks is because of Fatah being in control instead of Hamas in the west bank. But either way, if crimes against humanity are how you prevent terrorism, u gotta reconsider lol. Glad we agree that settlers have to go. I think that would actually be one of the most significant steps towards ending Hamas.

I would be interested in reading more about the deals for a secular Jerusalem, I don’t know much about that. I guess I could see how islamic fundamentalists would be opposed, but I have a feeling they have reasons other than just religion.

Regarding Gaza being an open air prison, it is, that’s pretty much a fact. I’m not calling it a concentration camp or a ghetto, even though I think it might be one. Millions of innocent Palestinians are locked in there, along with some terrorists. There was a blockade even before Hamas took power, but now no Gazan can even import things like concrete. If there are a group of people that are locked into an area and they aren’t allowed to leave by air land or sea, that area is a prison.

I think the only way to achieve peace is for Israel to pull settlers out of the west bank, give palestinians a right of return, and pay all palestinians monetary reparations. I think the best solution is to establish one secular state, where everyone has equal rights. You cannot defeat this by airstriking people, or launching a ground invasion. It’s like that one twitter user said, “I’m not a political expert but if you eliminated hamas but killed my whole family in the process my first move would be to start hamas 2”

You have to think about it from the perspective of Palestinians. They feel incredibly angry, and rightfully so. They’re subject to apartheid in the west bank and they’re stuck in an open air prison in Gaza. This makes them lash out in incredibly violent ways, because Israel has shown them that peaceful methods do not work. Obviously the way you stop this is by ending the apartheid and prison.

Yeah I know its not cheap, but with all of the money the us is giving Israel, they should be able to afford it, or they can increase taxes, or idk take out a loan or something. The point is the cost isn’t a valid reason to commit war crimes imo.

Yeah, I’m happy to talk about any of them so you can pick

where the Jews have historic claim to the land before Palestine

No they didn’t. I wrote this in my other comment. Palestinians have the same historical claim as Israelis, if not better because Palestinians have lived there pretty continuously while a ton of Israelis, especially settlers, are from Europe and the US (born there). So if Israel wins it from Palestinians, it isn’t rightfully theirs. If the Gaza militia’s goals were to

… You want to spend a minimum of 200 million USD to airstrike breaches? That’s grossly unrealistic.

Yeah? The US gives them billions of dollars per year, and just gave them more aid. Its time for them to stop using that to vaporize children.

Don’t know who those people are.

Nat Turner and John Brown led slave revolts in the southern US before the Civil War. Both of them lost and were executed. Nat Turner’s revolution in particular was very brutal and included killing children. When they lost their revolutions, it didn’t make slavery all of a sudden OK.

That’s why the two-state solution was really the only peaceful method of resolution,

There are a few problems with the two state solution. One, Palestinians have lived on this land for as far back as they can remember, you can’t not allow them to return to their ancestral homes and then expect them to agree to that. Two, Israel has shown it does not care about where it is or isn’t allowed to do stuff. As evidenced by the west bank. It would never respect the border. A secular one state solution is the only solution that would work at this point.

killing paramedics during the massacre.

IMO there’s a difference between indiscriminately shooting at everyone, and deliberately aiming an airstrike at medics. It isn’t a big difference, but its there. Also you said “as usual, Hamas did it first.” Are you referring to killing women, children, and other civilians, and committing other horrific acts? Because Israel was pretty much founded on that. They did much worse during the Nakba.

Gaza wishes to genocide Israel

Maybe a few people want that, but Hamas wants a 2 state solution, and PIJ, the PFLP, and the DFLP have stated their goal is the destruction of the Israeli state, not the genocide of it’s people. And the PFLP and DFLP are secular.

Hell PIJ is the most extremist one, and its leader has said he has “no problems living with Jewish people… We have lived together in peace for centuries. And if Netanyahu were to ask if we can live together in one state, I would say to him: “If we have exactly the same rights as Jews to come to all of Palestine. If Khaled Meshaal and Ramadan Shalah can come whenever they want, and visit Haifa, and buy a home in Herzliyah if they want, then we can have a new language, and dialogue is possible.”” (according to wikipedia, this was part of an interview)

the land has been fought over for millennia

Nah it was actually peaceful under the Ottomans, who treated Jews Christians and Muslims pretty equally. There was pretty much just a tax for Christians and Jews. The “land has always been fought over” thing makes the situation sound hopeless, but really the British just fucked up the peace. As usual. Fuck the British.

Palestine, specifically Gaza, put itself in a difficult situation with poor choices like trying to overthrow neighbouring governments of friendly/neutral nations.

Sure but black september was in 1970, the average age in Gaza is 18.

If the West needs to get involved, at least accept refugees who are in favour of secularism, specifically the oppressed women and the children.

The west already is involved. I’m from the US. We send Israel billions of dollars every year to bomb children. If the west is gonna help solve this, we need to use that money to twist Israel’s arm and force them to cooperate, but we won’t because we like our forward operating base in the middle east.

What do you think I need to change my mind on?

I mean the first comment I responded to was you implying that Israel has no other options but commit horrific war crimes, that’s the main thing I want to change your mind on.