And yet it’s the “liberals” who are the whiny snowflakes.🙄

Which part of “set up and run your own instance” is unclear you whiny buffoon!?

Wow! Someone who gets “choice” and “freedom of association”!

I’m sorry. Does actually having to put a bit of skin in the game offend you? You’d rather the people spending the actual money and doing the actual work just bow to your whims?

Compassionate fucking BUDDHA are the anti-defederation crowd a bunch of entitled, whiny asses!

Usually it’s just the self-righteousness instinct…

I love¹ telepathic people who can read other people’s minds and post on their behalf.

¹ This is sarcasm. I hate the delusional who think they’re telepaths.

So it’s freedom of association you’re opposed to then?

By “BOFH that happens to run the server” you mean “the volunteer whose money, time, and effort are being expended on your behalf”, right?

This is the single most entitled opinion I’ve ever heard in this. “I, the person who bears none of the pecuniary, temporal, or psychological costs of running the server insist that ‘the free software ethos’ means I get what I want on someone else’s computer.”

Fuck that noise.

If you want a server run your way that federates with the people you want to federate with, put your own skin in the game. Run your own server with your own rules. THAT is the actual free software ethos: DIY if you don’t like the way someone else does it.

The free software ethos is the punk ethos, not the hippy dippy shits ethos.

Replace “communist tankie shit” with “CSAM” or “torture porn” or such and see if that makes any sense to you (keeping in mind that all content from your “whitelisted” stuff is stored on the server owner’s hardware).

Ah. Idiot assumptions over and above idiot collaboration.

sh.itjust.works seems to attract the dullest.

Say “I don’t know what a wumao is” without using those words.

I swear, I’m seeing the western equivalent of wumaos servicing Meta here. Only at least the wumaos got paid; it made sense. These idiots are doing the labour for free!

I’m pretty sure that 99.44% of nostr is cryptobros.

Matrix […] has a kind of rough UX and, IIRC resource-intensive server software. We should work toward improving that.

Except that I get the vibes from the Matrix community that the shit UX is part of the attraction because it does a wonderful job of gatekeeping.

I don’t hold out much hope for Matrix working out ever, but perhaps someday someone will use it as inspiration for making something that doesn’t suck.

…evolve to something like what nostr is doing.

Giving places for cryptobros to wank without being pointed at and laughed at by their betters?

I’m not saying that “you can’t make this complaint because you made an account here”. I’m saying “only an idiot can make this complaint because this is how all distributed systems work without exception”. There isn’t a single system out there that is connected to anything outside of itself that isn’t susceptible at some level or another to exactly what the OP is complaining about.

This includes the router you have between you and the Internet at large.

EVERY distributed system retains copies somewhere for some duration. And ANY of them can be (pretty trivially) modified to just retain everything for as long as there is storage to hold it. If you want privacy you’re going to need end-to-end cryptography, but that means no discussion sites like this.

So my objection to the OP’s complaint is that it’s just stupid. Because it applies to literally every piece of technology they likely use to post the complaint, but for some reason it’s Lemmy that’s being singled out.

It is impossible. Flatly impossible. Because you cannot see if they’ve really deleted it or not. You can rely on a “data processing agreement” which, together with $50, will buy you a small cup of coffee at Starbucks.

I federate with you here from China. I will agree to anything you like. And I will just attach an array of 16×16TB hard drives to slurp up all the data you send me. How will you know this is happening?

You can’t. It is impossible for you to know until it’s too late and I’ve used it for whatever purpose profits me.

An individual server admin can only ensure the data’s existence or lack thereof on their own server. Anything else presumes (rather stupidly) that bad faith actors don’t exist.

Short of having someone inspect the databases, they can’t. The GDPR is a threat, basically, that says “if (or, rather, when) the truth outs, we can nail you later”. Which is why it’s really only effective on big players anyway.

Yeah, sorry, man. All the ignorance was blurring together and your post was caught unjustly in the fringe.

It’s on the server admin to ensure that all exchanged data is taken care of appropriately.

“It’s on the server admin to do the literally impossible.”