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      Previous generations will always be coping about later ones, no matter the year. Millenials and gen z are no different.

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    I think there is more nuance here. In all my direct interactions with Chinese people in business they have been polite, responsive and intelligent. I still get messages from them long after I left the industry I was in.

    The CCP however is a different story. I am opposed to them as much as I am opposed to any person or organization that seeks to usurp or silence an individuals right to self determination. There are certainly domestic threats to that right which are greater than the CCPs.

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      China and the CPC are as intertwined as America and the Democratic Party or America and the Republican Party. The China of today would not exist without the CPC.

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        America would exist without either party. People forget that the meaning of each party has shifted throughout the years. Parties have even gone extinct when a viable third party alternative was available. But they aren’t central to American life. More than one third of our population doesn’t even affiliate with a party.

        The CCP has done everything in their power to make themselves central to Chinese life. But they are a party and not China itself, even they are replaceable. Taiwan is a good example of how democracy could work within a modern Chinese society. Which is why the CCP wants to bring them to heel.

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          The last third party to receive more than 20% of the vote was Teddy Roosevelt.

          In 1912.

          Tell me more about this “viable third party alternative.”

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    I don’t honestly understand the “this group of people is the enemy thing.”

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    You can thank Tik Tok that all the kids love and use daily. And China controls the content on it.

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      You would have a field day with the comment section for this article on Lemmy.ml lol. I’d love to see someone with more energy than me try to fight some of the idiocy going on over there.

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        One of my accounts got banned form .ml because I had the nerve to tell the kids from Hexbear that their meme replies were juvenile and cringy.

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          That sounds more like lemmygrad to me but wouldn’t be surprised tbh. Not a single one of them on that instance is interested in facts or debate, just their little circlejerk. They’ll hit puberty one day tho.

          .ml has interesting discussion sometimes and other times just turns into a total circlejerk ime

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            Yeah, well… .ml lost an account that day. And I have no intention to interact with any communities in that instance. Blocked them.

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              Just got banned from .ml for providing links of China’s wrongdoings lmaooo

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                Yeah… that windtunnel can fuck itself. It’ll be gone soon if they ban everyone that disagrees with them.

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    Two questions come to mind: will this demo get out and vote? And if they do who can they vote for that will make policy decisions in line with this viewpoint?

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        I don’t like the spying USA does any more than you, but China is one of the most authoritarian countries in the world. Maybe you should go live there yourself if you like it so much

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              Is that a Lib thing now? When I was growing up in a super rural conservative area I always heard if you don’t like America you’re free to leave. Like progressive change is a cancer or something.

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                Libs are just conservatives at heart who like to think they’re progressive so yeah that checks out.

                Instead of improving our country, these two groups tell you to go elsewhere.

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          most authoritarian countries

          In the US, 0.7% of the population is in prison. That’s nearly one out of every hundred citizens and the highest per capita of incarcerated citizens in the world. Higher than Russia, higher than China, higher than North Korea.

          Land of the free indeed. Propaganda works.

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              Their vocational facilities and re-education centers are a far better way of managing and de-radicalizing extremist groups like the ETIM than fucking bombing them, invading them, and lying about WMDs.

              50+ mostly muslim UN states have approved of how China handled this after sending delegates and diplomats to Xinjiang:

              …separatism and religious extremism has caused enormous damage to people of all ethnic groups in Xinjiang, which has seriously infringed upon human rights, including right to life, health and development. Faced with the grave challenge of terrorism and extremism, China has undertaken a series of counter-terrorism and deradicalization measures in Xinjiang, including setting up vocational education and training centers. Now safety and security has returned to Xinjiang and the fundamental human rights of people of all ethnic groups there are safeguarded. The past three consecutive years has seen not a single terrorist attack in Xinjiang and people there enjoy a stronger sense of happiness, fulfillment and security. We note with appreciation that human rights are respected and protected in China in the process of counter-terrorism and deradicalization.

              We appreciate China’s commitment to openness and transparency. China has invited a number of diplomats, international organizations officials and journalist to Xinjiang to witness the progress of the human rights cause and the outcomes of counter-terrorism and deradicalization there. What they saw and heard in Xinjiang completely contradicted what was reported in the media. We call on relevant countries to refrain from employing unfounded charges against China based on unconfirmed information before they visit Xinjiang.

              The only countries accusing China of mishandling this are its geopolitical rivals in the west. Muslim countries and the global south side with China on this.

              QiaoCollective has a detailed timeline and report of Xinjiang related events.

              BadEmpanada has an in-depth video essay on the topic with sources in description.

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                You can also literally just visit Xinjiang and see it for yourself lol, since there’s not much travel restrictions on the region anymore now that covid’s mostly over.

                There are tons of Youtube videos doing just that.

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          Yeah, because I was. Curiously enough, I don’t even need to look at history to condemn what the CCP is doing today.

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            Doing today, hmm? Like how the evil CPC made China’s CO2 emmissions plateu just last month and are targeting zero emissions by 2060? Or how they’re spearheading cleaner energy this month with the first 4th gen nuclear reactor.

            Also them boosting trans rights with a court ruling just last week, and currently installing a new regulation to limit exploitative practices through video games.

            How could the CCP do this

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              Oh, they finally did something about pollution after being one of the top polluters and doing the minimal effort for the past decades to the point that they had people not being able to go outside from all the smog clouds? Props to them for now setting 2060 as the goal when we’ve already surpassed the major climate change tipping points then, despite the fact that they were asked to correct themselves long ago and refused, opting instead for an empty promise way behind schedule to avoid being held accountable for one of the most impactful issues on the table. That’ll do it. And that they’re considering human rights after they tried to hide their concentration camps from international media where they perpetuated genocide, reeducation and slavery? Weird that they’re now promoting nuclear energy after they created a big scathing shit show about Japan’s treated nuclear waste water to manipulate the market while dumping out a lot of their own even more radioactive waste. Wow, they sure changed a lot in the last 5 minutes. Incredible. Next time you’ll tell me that Hitler did a lot of job creation with those gas chambers, huh.

              But maybe they should do something about their predatory lending to smaller nations. Or stop trying to actively erase a historical massacre to portray a more favorable image. Maybe stop quietly arresting protesters to silence dissent, because they sure as hell won’t consider freedom of press in their wildest dreams. And maybe reconsider their widespread intellectual property theft while they’re at it. They could consider simply not pouring gasoline on the fire of international conflict for an invasion of a territory that has operated independently just fine to date, for that to create more bloodshed and another international crisis even though they’ve been overly aggressive lately with everyone else. But one can dream.

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                So much western propaganda here and articles with deliberately missing context lmao.

                First off, of course an industrializing nation has to emit pollution, specially one with a 1.5 billion population; every industrialized country has, and Africa will too as it industrializes in the future. The point is China is actually doing something about it now, unlike the west.

                China and Africa shouldn’t have to suffer by not industrializing, just because western countries can’t manage their pollution even after doing so.

                Their vocational facilities and re-education centers are a far better way of managing and de-radicalizing extremist groups like the ETIM in Xinjiang than fucking bombing them, invading them, and lying about WMDs.

                50+ mostly muslim UN states have approved of how China handled this after sending delegates and diplomats to Xinjiang:

                …separatism and religious extremism has caused enormous damage to people of all ethnic groups in Xinjiang, which has seriously infringed upon human rights, including right to life, health and development. Faced with the grave challenge of terrorism and extremism, China has undertaken a series of counter-terrorism and deradicalization measures in Xinjiang, including setting up vocational education and training centers. Now safety and security has returned to Xinjiang and the fundamental human rights of people of all ethnic groups there are safeguarded. The past three consecutive years has seen not a single terrorist attack in Xinjiang and people there enjoy a stronger sense of happiness, fulfillment and security. We note with appreciation that human rights are respected and protected in China in the process of counter-terrorism and deradicalization.

                We appreciate China’s commitment to openness and transparency. China has invited a number of diplomats, international organizations officials and journalist to Xinjiang to witness the progress of the human rights cause and the outcomes of counter-terrorism and deradicalization there. What they saw and heard in Xinjiang completely contradicted what was reported in the media. We call on relevant countries to refrain from employing unfounded charges against China based on unconfirmed information before they visit Xinjiang.

                The only countries accusing China of mishandling this are its geopolitical rivals in the west. Muslim countries and the global south side with China on this.

                Also, their supposed “debt-trapping” of nations is just a flat-out lie lmao, likely stemming from the actual debt-trapping that the IMF and World Bank from the west do. China hasn’t seized a single asset from a country that’s defaulted on its debt in the 10 years the BRI has been in progress, even forgiving billions of dollars of debt sometimes.

                Of course, not every project has been a success. When you’re working on thousands of foreign infrastructure projects (over 3000 so far) some of them are bound to be massive failures. Railways and bridges for example are often not directly profitable, neither in China nor elsewhere.

                won’t consider freedom of press

                Ah RSF, one of the many anti-China “non-profit” organizations that receives significant funding from the NED, an offshoot of the CIA, and various other imperialist organizations. I’d take any of their claims with a huge grain of salt, specially ones about the west’s geopolitical rivals.

                their widespread intellectual property theft

                Intellectual property shouldn’t exist in the first place; they only do so megacorporations can patent everything and keep others down. I applaud them for ignoring those; Africa should do the same as it industrializes, the same way the US also blatantly violated intellectual property laws as it was industrializing.

                a territory that has operated independently just fine

                Aside from the fact that modern Taiwan came to exist by completely genociding all its natives just 40 years ago (think Israel but if they actually managed to kill all Palestinians), I wouldn’t call hosting military from the most war-mongering nation on its geopolitical rival’s borders, and having a US puppet government “just fine”.

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          What say you about the reeducation camps and social credit score and restriction of travel? What say you about the imprisonment of Xi’s political opponents? My heart goes out to the Chines people, but the Chinese state must go.

          Open your eyes.

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    Recent polling from The Economist and YouGov shows the startling difference in Americans’ views of China by age group. Roughly 25% of Americans aged 18 to 44 said they view China as an enemy, compared with about 52% of those 45 and over (see chart). Almost as many young Americans said they view China as “friendly” as those who said the country was an “enemy”. Just 4% of older Americans see China as friendly.

    Meanwhile, views of China among partisans are shifting. Republicans have long been more likely than Democrats to view China as an adversary. But both parties have become more hawkish. When Donald Trump took office in 2017, just 10% of Democrats and 20% of Republicans said they believed China to be an enemy. As of last week, 34% of Democrats and 48% of Republicans took this view.

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      The wording on this is kinda weird, enemy to who?

      Do I think China is an enemy of the US? Yes.

      Do I think they’re an enemy to me personally and my values? Ehhh… not really. They do stuff I like and stuff I don’t like.

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    Maybe young people just don’t fall for the propaganda peddled by western media and their friends in US government departnents

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      They’re probably just ignorant. Xi is just as bad as Putin.

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      maybe they fall for the propaganda peddled by eastern media and their dictator friends.

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        They never see any of that, nor do you. All news is filtered through the big western agencies, AP/Reuters/AFP, to ensure that only the approved narrative is reported.

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          You really have a lot of faith in the organising capacity of all collective western governments when they can’t even agree on some pretty basic stuff.

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            It’s not that corporate news in the western world has to be well organized to put out the same perspective. Rather, they operate under the same kinds of selective pressures and as such they develop similar biases.

            A good example is all the reporting on WMDs in Iraq that went unquestioned by much of the western press until well after it mattered. Unfortunately nothing has really changed since the invasion of Iraq.

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              And yet, there was a considerable portion of the western press that very much did question the WMD narrative, most notably in the US, Gannet, which still owns more newspapers than any other publisher in North America.

              I had recently finished up an undergrad degree in journalism at the time and it was very obvious to anyone who was paying attention that people were selectively consuming whatever news told them what they wanted to hear. A huge portion of the country went bat shit crazy after 9/11 and had no interest whatsoever in listening to anyone who urged caution. At the time I worked for a local paper in California’s Central Valley and we were basically called traitors every time we questioned the narrative at all.

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      Counter theory; young people are falling for eastern propaganda via CPC monitored and controlled apps/content serving algos.