I have mixed feelings about this.
One the one hand, it sounds like they DID try to save the guy for hours. And this is an incredibly dangerous thing to attempt with a shockingly high number of people dying an attempt every year. I also think everyone that attempts one of these climbs knows exactly what they are doing. The porter that died might not have been well paid by Norwegian standards, but I have little doubt that he was paid quite well for Pakistan…
… but on the other hand, this is completely unnecessary. These people are dying - whether they are a hired sherpa or a Western climber - for totally no good reason. They aren’t really exploring new lands anymore. They aren’t discovering new sources of X mineral or sailing unknown seas. Everything about this is just rich-person’s adrenaline vacation, and not something particularly important.
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I can’t remember if it was a documentary or a book where there was a jam getting to the summit of everest because basically the people in front of the line were struggling to keep walking up. The expert mountaineer said, paraphrasing : Out of shape, under prepared, whatever the cause, every minute not moving at pace means someone behind them is more likely to die. He explained they were a moving road block and gave them a 50/50 chance to make it down, IF they had paid for help. He decided 30 minutes later to give up his ascent and telling guides and others on the way down that there people struggling and to turn back. At that elevation, walking is a struggle even with oxygen. Helping someone out whether by giving them your oxygen or helping them down could mean both die. I personally wouldn’t do it, but I hope whatever people go up the mountain know exactly that, if they can’t carry their own weight, they’ll be left to die.
but on the other hand, this is completely unnecessary.
Everyone should have the freedom to be the architect of their own fortune or misfortune.
I don’t pretend to know why they do it, but as long as everyone is doing it willingly and know the risk, I don’t have a problem with it.
And that freedom is only possible if they would otherwise be financially stable and have good options for work.
We don’t know why this porter did what he did. Was because he loved pushing rich foreigners up a mountain? Or was it because he needed the money and had the skill?
They why do politicians get to decide this for billions.
K2 is a real mountain. Not an Everest shuffle.
why do you people hate climbers so much lol. is doing things for sport and the thrill of it not a good enough reason?
There’s something to be said for doing it yourself. The issue comes in when other people are required for you to make that achievement happen.
Don’t get me wrong, both sides of the argument have their merit. On one hand, these people are adults and they agree to go. On the other, would they agree to go at all if they were financially well off themselves?
Unfortunately the fediverse is very appealing to doomers and people who are jealous of those who have more than them. you can see how some of them call for the assassination of wealthy people in other threads.
Serious question? If so, I’m guessing that the simple answer is people spending a lot of money on very selfish and otherwise meaningless endeavors, which occasionally results in accidents that get a disproportionate amount of attention and vested interest by media. Something along those lines.
Fuck that industry and everyone that fuels it.
There’s nothing up there worth dying for, or worth letting someone else die.
I consume Norwegian news, so my sources is wildly biased, but for what it’s worth:
The pakistani climber was extremely undergeared, not wearing even what has been called a “bare minimum” jacket and insufficient oxygen supplies. Even though Norwegian sources don’t deny that Kristin should have a trial for her inactions, they are leaning heavily towards making a case against the organization which was in charge of gearing up and preparing the pakistani.
I am torn. And as I stated, my sources is extremely biased, as Norwegians have a huge thing for lifting up our own people, but this case is not a great look.
people that go for these climbs are cunts, more news at 11.
Mountaineer not climber.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The circumstances of Mohammad Hassan’s July 27 death on K2, the world’s second-highest peak, sparked ongoing controversy, with two climbers arguing that he could have been saved if all those on the mountain that day had aborted their climb and focused on getting him down safely.
The fallout from Hassan’s death overshadowed a record established by Norwegian climber Kristin Harila and her Sherpa guide, Tenjin.
The uproar had been sparked by drone footage showing dozens of climbers pushing past a gravely injured Hassan toward the summit.
The committee’s mandate noted that it’s crucial to determine the facts after “distressing reports circulating on various social media platforms.”
Investigators will try to determine, among other things, whether more could have been done to save Hassan, said Sajid Hussain, deputy director of the Sports and Tourism department of Gilgit-Baltistan.
Steindl and German climber Philip Flaemig, who shot the drone footage, had abandoned their K2 climb earlier that day because of bad weather.
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It’s incredibly callous to decide to just continue on their world record attempt instead of stopping the climb and trying properly to save the guy.
This longer article has the footage and more in-depth explanations.
I can’t help thinking it’s true, if this had been a westerner instead of a sherpa they would not have treated him like this.
I’m not sure what more to expect from these people. They arent breaking new ground, they arent contributing to science and exploration, they are just trying to get their “world record” for their own selfish reasons. They absolutely would step over a westerner if it it’s corpse stood in their way.They use the bodies as milestones…
I’m not gonna stop them trying, but I’m certainly not impressed with their “achievement”. I do feel bad for the sherpa, who is just trying to feed his family. Hopefully more of them realise that their lives are not worth the risk.
Well there was a similar incident a few years ago on Mt Everest involving a western climber who also died: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Sharp_(mountaineer)
Good point. Seems like the Turkish team tried to save him and everyone else ignored him…
Also, arguing against my point, I noticed some other teams have spoken out eg
Said Lukas Furtenbach, owner of Furtenbach Adventures: “We would have stopped our summit push and helped, no matter what it takes. Even if it means we have to give up our oxygen supplies and even if it means no summit for all our clients. This is a fundamental part of the pre-summit push briefing I do with all clients. I always prepare them so that if we come across a situation like that, we help. Period.” Source.
There have been several incidents on Everest in recent years which have highlighted Sherpas feeling bad about how they are treated, though.
