• popcap200@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      5 months ago

      Forcing prisoners to repay a debt to society through labor, and forcing the minority you’re actively genociding to produce goods feel like two very different things.

      I strongly disagree with US prison labor, and our prison system’s focus on punishment and repayment rather than actually correcting the behaviors, but it’s legal by the US constitution.

      The US DoL has an article on the situation with these laborers in China. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/against-their-will-the-situation-in-xinjiang

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        5 months ago

        Why should the red line be at genocide?

        The U.S. justice system is inherently racist and it utilizes forced labor. That should be enough.

        • popcap200@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          5 months ago

          Having the red line as genocide, or as slavery from the buying and selling of people feels like a pretty safe line to have. Blocking goods is a very serious move in international relations.

          The US justice system is not inherently racist, it’s systematically racist, which isn’t good, but is a different thing. Nearly every person in the US prison system is there because they committed a crime. The people in Xinjiang did nothing but have the wrong culture and skin color. It’s still a false equivalency.

          Anyone can involve themselves and investigate the US court system, they can file complaints, they can sue for unfair treatment etc. International monitors are barred from Xinjiang.

      • TrippyFocus@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        5 months ago

        I don’t really care if it’s legal in the constitution, it’s “legal” in China too. My point is that I want it changed so there’s no forced labor in a country that that corporations can profit from it since it’s going to inherently drive conflicts of interest and I feel it too often gets ignored in this country.

        Also with minorities being incarcerated at a much higher rate than white citizens. I find that just saying it’s paying back a debt to society fails to recognize the law isn’t being applied equally.

        Also in many cases they’re already having to pay for their incarceration.

        • popcap200@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          5 months ago

          Yet the overwhelming majority of the time, they’ve committed a crime. There may be systematic issues in the justice system, and US that lead to the higher conviction rates/arrest rates, but we have the right to appeal, the right to representation, and our criminal justice system is regularly investigated and publicized.

          On the flip side, on a mass scale in Xinjiang, people are being systematically targeted, sterilized, tortured, being forced to work, etc. solely because of their culture and skin color.

          The two systems are very different. Two things can be bad, and one of those bad things can be substantially worse. It’s like wondering why Texas will execute a serial killer, but not someone who punched someone at a bar. Both things are bad, but the scale is completely different.