they’re neo nazi pedophiles iirc and in the brief time i was on a fedi instance federated with them i saw one of them trying to goad a trans person i knew with suicidal tendencies to kill herself because he thought it would be funny. like its so many orders of magnitude worst its just completely stupid to compare them at all. Like here’s some of the defed reasons from the top of the incredibly long list of instances that have defedded it:
Nazi content
Racism
antisemitism, racism, homophobia
Nationalsozialistisches Gedankengut
Hate speech
racist slurs, anti-semitic stuff, etc
Nazisme, Transphobie, Racisme, Antisemitisme
Admins are having Nazi symbolics in their profile
racism, pedophilia, harassment
Serveur d’extrême droite / Néonazi
Repeated harassment targetting specific users
Transphobia, Hate Speech, Nazi Symbology. Lack of Moderation.
Homophobia, transphobia
Hosting neonazis
transphobia / homophobia / racism / queerphobia / nazi combo instancehexbear isn’t even malicious. hexbear is spicy at best. not nearly as bad as lemmygrad, which is outright repugnant in its overt hostility. hexbear users are at least CAPABLE of communicating, whereas in my experience lemmygrad users pull the animal farm squealer move and defecate on the floor before storming out.
I’m on hexbear. It’s a good community. It’s leftist though so conservatives and libruls won’t like it. But you can have a good argument and find like minded people.
The thing is, you can ONLY have a conversation with extremely like minded people. If you are not tip-of-the-left authoritarian, you are called a filthy lib and shunned.
Sadly it just suffers the same syndrome as that conservative sub on reddit: “Anyone who doesn’t agree with me on every important and semi important point is literally the same as my worst enemy and I will fill their inbox with insults”
I disagreed with the way they often brigade posts and they said I was “indiscernible from the racist, fascist party” from my country. Like they went through the effort of looking up where I was from and the political parties there to find the most right wing one to name call and insult me with lol. That says a lot about the community culture, in my opinion.
It also has heavy Russian apologist content. Like, I even understand that MLs love China and excuse everything they do, but Russia is literally an right wing oligarchy with no health care and crippled social benefits that is led by an extreme right wing authoritarian fascist. I get that they are China’s ally by the enemy-of-my-enemy principle, but that doesn’t mean they are automatically good.
It’s the kind of place you go when you are bored out of your mind, online and want to see some circus shit going on without being sprinkled in toxic dung
It’s horrible but stomachable and you get to see very special people you didn’t know exist. A living cautionary tale of going too far
I don’t have that experience at all. But I’m not there to try and win any battles. Lots of true allies.
I mean they are literally Mao Zedong figures with rainbow clothes it’s fucking bizzare. I never expected to see gay Chinese communists and queer soviets hence for me it’s like a trip
I only had similar feeling when seeing dark skinned Polish aryans neonazis, the clash of history is just too funny or at least it would be if it was a stand up comedy and they didn’t want to kill me on sight, just like the hexbears for that matter
In any case as long as you pretend to be one of em it’s always super nice, cult like, sisterhood but they have cute tendency for wanting to kill you immediately after you reveal yourself
Hexbear rules. 40 year old liberal tech nerds who grew up on American propaganda hate it because they hate change and congregations of young people.
I don’t hate change, I hate Putin apologism from a space that claims to be left wing.
More to the point I hate brain dead takes like “voting is not harm reduction and if you don’t go 3rd party in 2024 you’re no better than a fascist”
“Naw guys, the tankie platform is fine I promise. Please let
usthem harass everyone again. ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ”How did Hexbear ever harass everyone here? Lemmy.world never even federated with them for a second.
As long as the pedo shit is blocked i dont see why u would want to defederate instead of letting each user block what they want. We need a user level federated blocklist.
If you want to see far-right content and spam, join a far-right server or run your own, rather than trying to shame server owners into doing what you want.
Admins are entitled to decide what they platform and what they don’t. On top of that, the user experience of “just block 100 servers of Nazis and incels to get to the content you want to see” is complete dogshit.
This “it should all be user level” is just apologist bullshit.
Did anybody say admins aren’t entitled to block stuff? User just wanted a system to see everything and block what they didn’t want.
Fuck off with this aggressive bad-faith shit.
Because in order to block content, the user first has to see it. If I were an instance admin, I wouldn’t force my users to see any amount of N words and homophobic slurs, not even the once it takes to block it.
Hence tge need for a federated blocklist.
With a blocklist, the user is putting their trust in an unnamed group of people with essentially no accountability. With defederation, the user puts their trust in admins they can talk to, with a public modlog to explain every decision. You’re proposing to take the same amount of control away from users, but with less accountability.
You can have the federated blocklist people named, decisions for adding to list public and explained. That way it would be the same as with admins
All that work just to make it the same as what we already have
They are both essentially the same thing except u decided to call one group of unnamed people Admins and suddenly they have responsibility and authority.
The difference, and the best part of the fediverse imho, is that if you’re not happy with someone elses rules you can become your own admin and set your own rules. The more we centralize power the further we go against that idea.
I have to know what the Detroit soccer team did to get so high on that list. Somebody here must know. Please!
it’s a big pedo instance iirc
Really? I know they have a bunch of porn bots, I don’t think I ever interacted with someone on there, just saw bot posts in my federated feed. I never noticed anything pedoish, but of course I don’t click content warnings so I wouldn’t know, I’m not interested in NSFW stuff on fedi.
I was going to guess racially based comments about crime in detroit idk
You thankfully appear to have not been exposed to a “proper” hexbear thread where all they can do to communicate is call you a shitlib for doing things like acknowledging genocide.
Do you have examples? I am not doubting, since I’ve seen loads of people saying it. But I’ve never come across it myself.
I have the entire instance blocked in my client, so I can’t even go searching for a thread for you. But if you don’t, it should be incredibly easy to poke the hexbear, so to speak. Lemme grab you a link…
Here, this one should work. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China
Find an appropriate sublemmy on Hexbear and post this, ideally in a context that explicitly declares you oppose genocide. You’ll get nothing but the following in your thread:
- Accusations that you are a “shitlib”. Any attempt by you to find out what this word means will result in additional mockery.
- Denials of the Uyghur genocide.
- Adoration of the CCP, especially Xi Jinping (but Hexbear likes any authoritarian tyrant in China, so any CCP politician may end up adulated).
Lol. Absolute nonsense. Every time anyone is asked for an example of bad Hexbear behaviour they can only ever say “I HAVE NO EXAMPLES BUT I PROMISE IT WILL HAPPEN”. Speak about other people like they’re human beings pl0x
Yeah? Can you provide even 1 example of someone on Hexbear posting something a) civil and b) not fascist?
https://hexbear.net/post/2648774?scrollToComments=false
Their top stickied post seems to be a biography of a 19th century French anarchist. That’s about as 10/10 wholesome chungus as it gets.
Past that, the front page is mostly full of screenshots of other social media posts mixed in with the occasional news item.
This guy is asking for help meeting people because he’s an introvert.
This is a meme about the Roman Empire being a vector for olive trees.
Like, this isn’t a difficult challenge.
#2 represent! Getting defederated is street cred. If crybabies don’t like you you’re doing something right.
I don’t mess with fedi anymore though, besides dicking around on here. Socially I’m all about Nostr now, it’s the future of the non corpo social media, federated network architecture is simply too prone to abuse.
Nostr will just end up like voat
That’s actually nor possible because there’s no global feed. Your network is what you make of it. I’m not a fan of voat types so I don’t interact with them online all that often.
It’s interesting, the people that tell you that they’re in the majority somehow also believe that online spaces that are left for open discussion don’t wind up the way they want them to, almost as if they’re a minority.
Or they’re just not interested in wading through far-right extremists for 3 shitty memes.
After all, if your theory about “open spaces turn into Nazis and pedos because most people are secretly Nazis and pedos” were actually true, those sites would be the biggest sites in the world, not tiny little bubbles that last 6 months.
I think “#2 represent” is referring to their membership at freespeechextremist, so they are likely looking forward to wallowing in a festering cesspool of hatred.
Nah I leave that shit to the guys at the #1 spot on the list lol. I just say what I want. I’m actually not into being angry and hateful, but I’m also not into being told what I can and cannot say.
What are you being told you cannot say that you want to say?
It’s not about what I want to say lol typical. Take a conversation about principle and imply that I want to shout slurs.
You don’t have the right to dictate to me what I can say out loud, period.
Who implied you want to shout slurs? I’m asking about the principle. What are you wanting to say that other instances are stopping you from saying? What is anyone even dictating that you cannot say out loud?
“On principle what specific words do you want to say” lol yeah OK. You need to go understand what “principle” means, by definition it ignores specific circumstances.
When what I can say is subject to someone else’s dictat, de facto they have power over me. The interesting thing about that is that the kind of people that seek that out aren’t the kind of people who wield it wisely or fairly. I avoid giving others power over me, I can’t always prevent it, but I avoid it where I can. That’s the principle we are talking about, whether I want to give someone that power, not whether I agree with them on what words should be said. And that’s what this whole speech shit is about, not words, it’s about power. Generally I would agree with those people on what words should not be said, what I don’t agree with is giving them the power to tell me or other people that we can’t say them. I used to do the compromise thing, but those people inevitably overreach and begin to try to control what ideas are allowed to be discussed, because again, it’s about power and they’re power hungry subhuman scum who just want to dominate others.
No matter where you go on fedi, it’s one type of toxic or another. Either it’s people shouting the n word, or it’s people sharing drawings (at best) of little kids, or it’s power hungry subhuman scum who just want to dominate others. It’s an architectural problem endemic to the federated network architecture. So I prefer an architecture with less discoverability but which gives the user the power to censor their own feed how they see fit. There’s no real reach on either, but at least people can have their echo chambers and nobody can lean on the architecture to silence the people they don’t like.
