• SirBucksworth@lemmy.world
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    „1% of people hoarding 99% of wealth in the world, and most of them have the same skin color and religion like me? It has to be the fault of people with a different skin color and/or religion that I’m not getting richer!“

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      “Have we considered blaming the people who are reviving old religions for our society’s moral failing instead of acknowledging that the political leaders of my country share my religion

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        What if I told you there were a lot of folks who hate both tankies and capitalism.

        In fact, most anti-capitalists are also anti-authoritarian, which leaves them out of the tankie camp.

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          Cool, but then you’re just a naive utopia dreamer. Capitalism is the best system we have right now, and it pays for a lot of social programs, can it be better sure but acting like communism is better is just flat out stupid.

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            Capitalism is the best system we have right now

            Citation needed. Also, curious how capitalist countries are always so eager to stomp down any attempt at trying a different system, almost as if the rich really don’t want you to even believe a different system is possible 🤔

            and it pays for a lot of social programs

            It doesn’t pay, it steals. Social programs under capitalism are possible only by exploiting the global south.

            Cool, but then you’re just a naive utopia dreamer.

            Not wanting to be robbed by bosses and landlords is utopia, now? And you talk about it as if it was some theory that was never tried. Libertarian socialism already exists.

            can it be better sure but acting like communism is better is just flat out stupid.

            Because…? Can you even define what you mean with ‘communism’, or is it just some nebulous threat you got programmed to be afraid of? Not all socialists are Stalinists, which is what you seem to be implying…

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            Living in a tribe in the jungle is better than capitalism because it’s not literally destroying the world. If you’re willing to consider utopian capitalism, then a utopia based on ideas that can theoretically work should be even easier.

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              A big meteor strike would be worse for most life on earth than even the climate crisis, and that will happen, sooner or later. In order to prevent that, you need a pretty high tech level.

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        And people who thinks it’s either capitalism or communism are dumb fucks.

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            It’s not the ‘-isms’, my guy.

            It’s people. Flawed beings making and interacting with flawed systems.

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                It takes people to enact policies around the -isms and to make the -isms themselves

                The OP said “…-ism is the real cancer upon society”. I was pointing out that people are the real cancer of society. It doesn’t matter what “-ism” you want to stand behind, there will always be issues because humanity is fundamentally broken.

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                  humanity is fundamentally broken

                  I’d argue that humanity and an -ism aren’t that different in this context – arbitrary linguistic form aside, they both refer to abstract collectives.

                  But ultimately, I still don’t see the logic in separating humanity from the systems it created and uses. Fixing one fixes the other, in bilateral fashion.

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          Thinking that memes like this aren’t just tankies who think the ussr was a tragic loss is hilarious. This is tankie shit.

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    Because they would have to take their part of the responsibility for allowing it to continue, and that’s hard.

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    President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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    The worst hot take of this nature I’ve personally heard so far, in Canada: “Fuck man this customer service job pays me peanuts when I’m busting my ass! I tell ya, it’s those damn Indian immigrants saturating the service industry and driving the wages down!”

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      Worker saturation does reduce the power of the workers. A small town strike is a huge deal, it can shut the business down with nobody around to easily replace them. As opposed to place they can be easily replaced with low cost workers, the conditions will slowly move towards slavery with every replacement.

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      Aren’t most of the Indian customer service workers in India though? Nothing to do with immigration

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    I luckily don’t hear that much. I mostly hear fellow wage slaves making barely enough to slowly die repeat bullshit news headlines like “no one wants to work anymore” all the while working harder and harder for less and less. It’s incredibly depressing.

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      When I worked at DGX, basically EVERY customer said this in response to seeing me being the only one behind the counter…

      No… No, this store just has shit pay, forces EMPLOYEES to pay for parking, and is willing to fire people at the drop of a hat.

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      American conservatives: better defund schools and ban books so people don’t catch on to what’s actually happening. Better if they blame the gay, brown, and poor people, not us in power.

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        In plain view, too. For shame. I honestly didn’t think I’d see it in my lifetime. I read about it in other places, but the wool was over my eyes.

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    Simple, under this system the more desperate folks undercut him. They don’t see the rules of the game are what is causing that. They couldn’t imagine a system under other rules, except for Stalinist nightmares. So crushing the people who undermine them is the only option they can imagine (and have been lead to believe by the preachers of hate)

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      (not disagreeing) And due to capitalism, they and the exploited will always exist, and have the power they have. If the billionaires of today didn’t exist, some other people would be in their place, and nothing would have changed. Capitalism is the root.

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        No matter wether capitalism or something else. People want power. Thise who have more will do anything to keep it. People fight back. reform Or social collapse. Repeat.

        It’s a cycle that will repeat as long as their is something to opress.

        Im not saying we should stop fighting. But even if we win it will happen again.

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    in my mind, it’s not even capitalism. there are rules against monopolies, and people are supposed to pay their taxes to not become unfathomably rich. these rules are just not enforced, because everyone is arguing about wether trans people deserve to exist or not. politicians need to take their job seriously. and the only way to change that is from within. join a party and do jour job properly. complaining about capitalism isn’t making the situation better either.

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      Capitalism is the problem because it incentivizes these behaviors and allows “capital” (i.e. rich people) to control the political process. The people who are pushing the anti-trans agenda - just like the gay marriage scare of the past - are doing so to manipulate people into voting against their own interests to elect politicians who are loudly subservient to capital. It’s not a coincidence that the same people, i.e. Republicans, have been pushing for trickle-down economics and privatizing social security for decades. Democrats aren’t much better. In some part because Citizens United (a Republican gift to the rich) declared that money = speech, and so it’s hard to compete electorally without caving in to the demands of capital. So, they do dumb shit like propose privatizing the water supply:

      https://therealnews.com/biden-infrastructure-report-pushes-disastrous-water-privatization-schemes-watchdog-says

      And this doesn’t even get into the real nasty part of capitalism which is the plunder and exploitation of the global south that has gone on for centuries to build today’s capitalist society.

      If you have actions you plan to take that will get your elected representatives to stop doing things that makes the ultrawealthy richer and start doing things that improve the lives of everyone else (UBI, universal healthcare, equality for all) under the capitalist system we have, then go ahead and get on it. People pointing out the flaws in capitalism is not the reason you have thus far been unsuccessful. And when you call for everyone to stop criticizing capitalism, as if it is some universal equilibrium that is undeniably correct, you are carrying water for the very people you want to oppose.

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        Lol yes because I’m communism no power hungry people make it to the top and starve the rest. Nope never happened.

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          Lol, yes inserting “communism is without flaws” into my comment isn’t a straw man. Nope, not at all. But thank you for stepping in to defend capitalism, which is in grave danger from people criticizing it. For your service, I will try to drop a few bucks in your gofundme when your private health care fucks you over.

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      Well the other problem with capitalism is that when the wealth inevitably funnels to a few, those few can then pay scraps to politicians to keep getting richer. If you don’t co-operate, well they’ll just pay the other party instead. Good luck winning when guess what, they also own the news networks. They own the social media. If you think it can be magically solved by joining a party and doing your job properly then you really don’t grasp the reality of the whole situation.

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      Tell me you don’t understand the first thing about what capitalism is or how it works without saying you don’t know the first thing about capitalism or how it works… And yet you clutch to it like a turkey voting for Christmas…

      Perhaps consider looking in to the works produced by the minds who dedicated their lives and careers to the subject, rather than your own, clearly uninformed one?

      https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/beyond-trafficking-and-slavery/marx-exploitation-abc-unequal-world/

      https://jacobin.com/2022/06/karl-marx-labor-theory-of-value-ga-cohen-economics

      https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/12/capitalism-isnt-broken-its-working-all-too-well-and-were-the-worse-for-it

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        Yes because how many people has communism raised out of poverty? O right I forgot how russians are stealing washers and toilets from Ukrainians and NK is an amazing place in the summer…or how china doesn’t have suicide nets or social credit scores…

        The only people who want communism are the idiots from the west in their nice apartments, who have never lived under communism…lol

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          O right I forgot how russians are stealing washers and toilets from Ukrainians

          Russia is a capitalist state.

          NK is an amazing place in the summer

          The vast majority of north Korea was destroyed by the US. Maybe if the US hadn’t done that, things would be better for them.

          how china doesn’t have suicide nets or social credit scores

          Completely irrelevant to how many people communism has lifted out of poverty. The west also has issues with suicide and we also have credit scores.

          If you’re actually interested, read this

          According to the World Bank, more than 850 million Chinese people have been lifted out of extreme poverty; China’s poverty rate fell from 88 percent in 1981 to 0.7 percent in 2015

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      you’re not exactly saying the thing on the meme, but god, the line is awfully thin. capitalism IS the unfathomably rich.

      politicians are doing exactly what they’re there for: protecting the interets of the unfathomably rich.

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      But how does that make any sense in regards to trans issues?

      Like, I’d get if maybe some laws weren’t being brought to vote because it doesn’t fit the agenda for the day, but do you really think all 3 branches of our government are so embroiled in lgbtq+ issues that they aren’t making other laws? How does what politicians are discussing on social media or on television affect whether a regulatory agency is going to open their eyes and prosecute when things are put on their desk? Is the SEC (not the government, but the governments enforcers) discussing trans medicine this whole time instead of intentionally looking away from white collar theft?

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        The reason trans people are being targeted is because the Republican party has become a proto-fascist party. Part of fascism is to have an out-group that can be scapegoated. The best method to identify these targets is in the way they’re framed.

        They’re infinitely strong with all the allies and lots of power. But they’re also super weak and easy to defeat

        This is the framing device fascists use to gain power. Of course, this target always changes and becomes more regressive. As the famous poem goes, “first they came for the communists”

        The reason they target trans people is because they’re an easy target. Trans people don’t have the money of billionaires, the infrastructure of support, or the critical mass of people with positive opinions towards trans people. Fascism is different in every country that falls for it, so no it’s not a requirement to hate Jewish people for a person, party, or country to be fascist. In an ironic twist of fate, I’d argue that the government of Israel is a fascist nation, with Palestinians being the target of fascist hate and influenced by Apartheid and Jim Crow (random aside, Jim Crow also influenced Fascist Germany and Apartheid).

        Anyways, back on topic. The laws being passed to target trans people are also nebulous and vague, creating the groundwork to target the next group they choose to persecute. Historically and through stated visions, the next target will be gay people. To the gay people that believe “support LGB not the T”, you will be the next target of Republican ire if you allow this attack on trans people to continue. Your observation is absolutely correct, the attack on trans people is not a whole-government operation, yet. Fascism is a merging of state and capital. As the death cult becomes more hostile towards people not in the in-group, the SEC will eventually start prosecuting trans people for securities fraud for working at a publicly traded company. It’s a slow boil, don’t be the frog in the water.

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      The rules aren’t enforced because capitalists are buying their way into politics, so much do that they’ve gutted the IRS. BTW, they can’t even do most of their work on computers, because of lobbying from Intuit and H&R Block.

      I think you have good intentions, but you miss the fact that money talks in this fucked up ecosystem.

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      these rules are just not enforced

      And the argument for that is always because they’re anticapitalist, my dude. Even if you agree with the core tenets of capitalism, it’s a hard argument to claim it hasn’t been weaponized in multiple ways.

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    When people have lived their whole lives marinating in anti-communist propaganda, they’re ideologically unable to reach the obvious conclusions and instead have to substitute shit like this or lizard people conspiracy theories.

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    I think prefer my memes to be generally funny, instead of angry and political

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    Do billionaires and millionaires count? What? Do we call them rhe financially unchallenged? /s