Why YSK: Choosing an instance with defederation policies you’re most comfortable with is important to make your Fediverse experience smooth in the long run.
Here is a chart showing the defederation count of each instance.
| Instance | Defederated with how many other instances |
|---|---|
| beehaw.org | 405 |
| feddit.de | 101 |
| lemmy.world | 63 |
| lemmy.ml | 44 |
| sh.itjust.works | 4 |
| exploding-heads.com | 3 |
You can get it by going to the instance’s instance list and scrolling/Ctrl+Fing down to “Blocked Instances”. To find the instance list, go to https://your-instance.url/instances, for example, https://lemmy.world/instances
I think it’s worth mentioning the amount of instances full of bots as well. I just started hosting my own instance and decided to check other instances’ block lists to defederate from at least some bot instances. I now have about 50 blocked instances. (instances with 60k or so users each with no posts)
Whats in .jugler.jp and in burgit.moe? If even the nazis dont whant to have anything to do with them then they must be really bad.
Probably loli hentai which would be illegal in many jurisdictions.
Or the even more illegal live-action variant.🤢
I feel like it’s more important to know why these defederations happened than how many there are. Well beehaw just screams their reason with their number but that’s a separate thing.
Way too complicated and tedious. Do you audit the blacklist of your adblocker? Doubtful.
For the vast majority of people, a cliff’s notes and prior experience with an instance’s general moderation policy and trustworthiness will have to suffice. Not so different that choosing a social media platform or subreddit, really.
In my experience, I think these numbers correlate nicely with how curated the moderation is and inversely proportional to the tolerance to objectionable content from a moderate POV.
and inversely proportional to how tolerant they are to extreme views… just to be balanced
Looking at my instance, all defederated instances (that are still up) are spam, child porn, or straight up Nazis advocating for violence against minorities.
This is kinda why I wish we had user-level instance blocking, there aren’t any popular instances that match my preferred blocklist and I don’t want to have to go out and request federation for everything I want to see. For example, the top sites I don’t want to see are lemmy.ml, lemmygrad, and exploding-heads, and while beehaw gets all three, they also block instances I don’t find problematic like lemmy.world.
So I ended up on lemmy.world and manually block all the stuff I don’t want to see, but it’d be loads easier if I could just ask not to be shown content from instances I want to avoid.
lemmygrad and exploding-heads I can understand but why lemmy.ml? It’s a general purpose instance with no known bot/Nazi/Tanky/other fascist/etc. infestion.
I thought lemmy.ml was run by the same people as lemmygrad. (And the Lemmy code creators)
At the beginning (of the reddit exodus) the admins were definitely banning people from lemmy.ml for being “critical of the Chinese government” calling it racism. (“Orientalism” was their term.)
I switched to lemmy.world that same day, and haven’t really kept up with that instance since then.
I think it’s funny when assholes (and it’s always the assholes of any group) scream that anything slightly challenging a point of view is racist/phobic…no it’s not you fuck heads there can be legitimate different points of view without it being from hate. For example I’m an American, some shit we do well, lots more shit we do poorly, but calling anyone who calls the US on their bullshit “racist/phobic/current term de jour” makes me assume the person accusing is a moron and their opinion shouldn’t matter…it only gets weird when you have two genuine morons trying to claim the high ground like say a white supremacists being upset a black supremacist is calling them out, they both suck.
I’m sorry…I’m in Florida and there’s so much goddamn stupidity here it’s insane. Take drag shows…have you ever been to one? I’m straight straight…but drag shows are a blast, everyone leans in enjoys themselves and move on. The shows are aimed at adults and spend no time indoctrinating kids unlike the Catholic church…hell I can’t think of one news story about a kid getting molested at a drag show/brunch/library hour, can’t say the same for church, but nobody is trying to protect the kids from getting diddled by “god’s” messengers.
I’ve lost my point, but fuck Florida.
I’ve tagged you as incoherent. ✌️
I’d have to see some specific examples to pass judgement.
Here ya go: https://lemmy.ml/post/1167199
Edit: be sure to scroll down for the admin comments on the matter.
And note that I do not know if they have since changed course on this for lemmy.ml
Is this the admin response you’re referring to?
This seems to have been taken out of context. Their response seems to be about a supposed “white genocide” some white supremacists have thought up and I fully agree with him that that’s bunk.
I don’t know how to share a specific context with N number of context like I could on Reddit yet. See the comment they’re replying to. They’re only using “white genocide” as an example of something people wouldn’t call you a “genocide denier” over you disagreeing with.
Holy crap. This should be it’s own post. Just purged all the “serious” communities I was following on there.
I know what you mean but I had to laugh because I linked a post. That is to say, it was its own post haha.
I’m not going to lie, I’m constantly waffling between Lemmy and kbin in no small part because Lemmy (the software) is maintained by that same admin.
I’m using Lemmy because it looked easier to set up but damn, once there’s kbin apps I might have to look into switching my server over to kbin.
That’s a far stick up ones ass there at Beehaw.
meh. to each their own.
That’s the whole point of the fediverse, at least from my perspective. embrace the smaller communities as much as the big ones. same with open vs closed. they all serve their purpose and minimizes a homogeneous environment that allows niches to exist, much like the early internet.
They don’t like federating with instances with open signups
There are plenty of open instances on their federated list, ones that aren’t bot farms though
beehaw.org at 405
Jeeez, that pretty much cements my reason for moving over from them. Defederating lemmy.world and other big instances for moderation reasons was reasonable for the time being, but that sheer number overall shows the control they want over their instance, and so much is excluded as a result, a lot of it likely due to ideological misalignment.
Last time I looked at the list, It’s mostly an imported list of horrible mastodon/pleroma instances, not Lemmy servers, and seemed reasonable to me. Go take a look at a few.
When moving over from that other site it was the first instance I tried, for no particular reason.
They made me write a statement why I would want to join the instance (okay, you need to filter the bots, fair enough) so I wrote a nice little text to let them know. I guess I failed to write the keywords they were looking for, so they denied my application.
That told me all I needed to know about the mods.
Same here. I wrote a statement saying why I wanted to join. They had a community there that no one else had at the time, so I mentioned how I wanted to participate in the community there.
Got denied like 2 weeks later, but it was during that time they defederated from lemmy.world. At that point I knew I was wasting my time waiting to see if I’d get accepted or denied.
I didn’t even get a response lol, they just never let me log in
I would have just closed the page the second they asked me to write an essay on why I deserve to be on their website, lol.
Honestly you could say because you like to talk about tacos and it would get approved most of the time. We have that turned on because otherwise we’ll get 60k spam users overnight. Email verification costs money especially if you’re being spammed with 60k requests and the statement box stops all of it.
Lol, you just need to write a sentence or two. I just wrote that I was leaving reddit and beehaw looked cool.
Eh, lemmynsfw.com has a similar sign up for. The difference is that they accepted the reason “this is my porn account”
Why did we even defederate from beehaw?
Lemmy.world hasn’t defederated with beehaw, as far as I know. Beehaw has been down for a little following the lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works compromise to patch their software; that may be why you’re not seeing beehaw content if you haven’t been.
Beehaw did defederate from Lemmy.world, though, due to the open sign up policy meaning that users could bypass their account creation restrictions, creating additional workload that their moderators could not handle with the current Lemmy toolkit.
- beehaw.org: 405
- feddit.de: 101
- lemmy.world: 63
- lemmy.m:l 44
- sh.itjust.works: 4
- exploding-heads.com: 3
Why is beehaw so high?
They started with a commonly shared fediverse block list a lot of mastodon instances and stuff start up with. Since they’ve also defederated some instances that allow child porn, some political extreme instances, and some very large instances they couldn’t moderate the influx from.
They also defederated from instances that have open sign-ups because they allow bots to join too easily. This included lemmy.world.
The most unpleasant people I’ve encountered here have all come from lemmy.world, so perhaps this wasn’t such a bad move for them.
Pretty sure there are no significant instances that allow child porn.
That would depend if you think lolicon or hentai of canonically underage characters in general is CP or not.
Doesn’t matter in the case of Beehaw though because they defederate from any instance that allows pornographic NSFW content of any kind period - as do probably a majority of instances, at least until Lemmy creates better filtering systems.Beehaw federates with porn instances like lemmynsfw.com
When they defederated from lemmy.world, the stated reason was the open registration policy. Their registration process is handled manually. I suspect that they operate a much tighter ship when it comes to moderation. This has it perks and problems.
I tried to sign up to check it out, but apparently the essay I had to write pledging my undying commitment to a community I had not even experienced yet was insufficient to be accepted. Their loss.
Everywhere else something like “I like to make electronics projects and play with computers.” is sufficient.
I signed up and my blurb was very short and basically said that I like bunnies and they have some nice looking communities including one about pets. Got approved. It was basically what I just wrote so I don’t know why others are being declined.
They are trying to create a “Safe and friendly place”.
Is there a way to see what specific instances each instance has defederated from? Just curious
Click on “instances” on the bottom of the page
Lemmygrad has defederated from 43 other instances.
Boo lemmygrad
