There’s one more group that would make this argument……
Liberals in a worker shortage
What fantasy world are you living in? So dumb…
Red states. What part of that isn’t clear?
You’re replying to a hexbear user. When they use the label “Liberals” it includes the folks you immediately think of but it also includes conservatives., as in economic liberalism.
no, I mean mean US democrat liberals and the link I provided shows that child labor restrictions are being loosened in both red and blue states
Yes they’re all liberals. That’s what I said. The guy was like ‘where blue states I thought you said libral’ and so I had to clarify that in this context the word applies to both not just blue.
This happens in red and blue states. Additionally, conservative ideology is based in liberalism, with added brushes with fascism as compared to blue states.
Ah yes, red states like Minnesota and New Jersey. 🤡
Only one? I’m stuck between the US court system and Mormons looking for a wife but I guess Republican Congressmen’s Dating Pool is also a possibility.
What about the Catholics? The age of consent is 12 years in Vatican City
Reminds me of the old joke “what’s the difference between libertarians and republicans? Libertarians know the legal age of consent in all 50 states”
This trope and this meme are lame and wrong. You people have a ridiculous idea about Libertarians that is nothing but plain prejudice.
I encourage anyone to prove me wrong by reading this Libertarian Party Platform document. Please point out anything about age of consent that is included in the Libertarian platform.
Additionally, prove me wrong by showing any example of a Libertarian party member stating support for adults abusing children in the manner alluded to in this prejudiced meme / trope.
EDIT: Downvotes don’t prove anything folks. I issued a challenge here - is nobody going to prove me wrong?
WHOOOOOOOOSH
Buddy, the definition of libertarian differs greatly from what your ilk discusses online.
Absolute bullshit. You are making up your own prejudiced definition, even after I provided a link to the party platform that LITERALLY defines the political stance.
In other words, you can’t prove me wrong, so you move the goalposts.
Heh. Somebody got offended by a joke
No I am offended by the prejudice behind the joke. It’s as bad as Trumptards and Qanon morons calling Democrats pedos.
Probably not a great idea to alienate the Independent type voters ahead of important elections as well. Democrats / Leftists / whatever you are should be courting the votes of those who are not-Republicans rather than driving more division.
I can’t imagine willingly telling people I was a libertarian in the internet.
Can you imagine being content in life and not caring what Internet nerds think about anything? No? Too bad for you. That’s my reality.
Liberty is the most important value/concept to uphold in society and politics, therefore the Libertarian party is the best overall choice to support. Anyone who proposes to reduce liberty for the citizens of America automatically loses my support.
My ethics are clear and I’m proud of my voting record, no matter what you or anyone else thinks. Proudly supporting freedom should be applauded rather than mocked. So it’s actually you who should be ashamed for attempting to suppress our freedom with your prejudiced garbage.
Fuck, marry, kill: Degen edition
Libertarians
Fascists
The IDFLibertarians are fascists…
So are the IDF…
I think you’re on to something boys
Libertarians are like liberty to cherry pick lucrative bits of capitalism but same level of kick the ladder fuck you I got mine as regular Republicans.
Much like Obomba taught us, that part in the middle of the meme that looks like says 12 year old is pronounced “Military age male”.
Like Hasan said “It’s all liberalism at the end of the day”
I do not understand this meme.
Considering people under 18 children is exaggerating, 13 (or whenever you hit puberty) is about the age when people can get a job, get married, and fight in war if it weren’t for society brainwashing and labeling them as children, history is with me on this one.
We’ve got one
In many countries minors (<18) can be in military service. In Israel and the US it is from 17 years. Why should exactly HAMAS in a population with about half children (persons under 18 years) make a difference?
Your second paragraph perfectly explains the first. Good self-expression.
A child who just started puberty is about the same as one who has not yet started puberty except for menstruation in the case of girls.
get married
Shit, I missed this one. Never mind, you’re just a pedo.
Wanting to marry 13 year olds says more about you than about them.
I am not encouraging 13 year olds - or people of any age - to marry people outside their age group, I think that’s wrong under normal circumstances.
Edit: considering how fast people grow at the age of 13 their age group would be… 14 Year olds max I guess?
Edit 2: duo to how the laws of a nation cover a very wide range of people, I think we should - for the purposes of law - go the safe route and give these rights at 16, if nations normalize 16 year olds having sex then allowing marriage should be a no brainer.
Also someone else mentioned alchohol so I have to elaborate, in my perfect country, alcohol would be banned in all its - non medical - forms regardless of age.
Edit 3 : I have no idea what would qualify as an “abnormal circumstance” before anyone asks.
Edit 4 : I think porn should be banned in all its forms as well before anyone asks.
Edit 5 : I just googled IDF and libertarians and understood the meme, I just saw “12 year olds are not children” and decided to share an opinion that I still hold.
Edit 6 : If you think about it in the context of restructuring society in the way I want it to be - which isn’t detailed in this comment - it sounds like a really good idea, but sadly society is corrupted and almost beyond repair.
So you agree with sexualising children as long as they’re being paired together??? But only 16 at which point it should be ‘normalised’?? This whole ‘opinion’ is disgusting.
I don’t expect many to agree, as my opinion is based on me not considering 13 and 14 Year olds children, what is really the difference between 16 - again, to be on the safe side - year olds and 18 year olds that give the latter that much more freedom?
Also I despise pre marriage sex if that adds anything to the conversation.
Some of you guys have really warped definitions of libertarianism…
The problem is libertarian groups themselves don’t stand up against anarchists joining them. I remember Gary Johnson getting booed at an official libertarian party gathering for saying he believes in driver’s licences.
Also we already know how libertarianism ends, with robber barons controlling everything and people living in company towns. It’s a terrible political ideal.
What’s wrong with anarchists? I’ve never seen anarchists defending pedophilia. Anarchism doesn’t mean you just freely cause harm to others; quite the contrary.
American libertarians are rebranded anarcho-capitalists. Outside of the US, libertarians are largely associated with anarchism and other anti-authoritarian socialist ideologies. Any left-libertarian (the kind that would identify as just anarchist, not ancap) want absolutely nothing to do with Gary Johnson. Don’t put their shit show of an ideology on us lol
Left libertarians are still opposed to a strong central government which is a core issue with libertarianism.
In your ideal government, how would child porn or slavery be addressed? Let’s assume there’s a community that formed because they think it’s a good thing.
Shitty people exist and always will. It would be foolish of me to say otherwise. The shitty things they do may still happen in a stateless society. Child porn and slavery are being produced in societies with central government right now and very little is being done about it. In a stateless, moneyless society there would be no incentive for slave labor and I think that would largely/entirely disappear.
Child porn is obviously a lot more complex than that and there are several factors in play. First, anarchists and adjacent movement are staunch advocates of community engagement and vigilance. We want to radically change how society functions at the most base levels. If a child is being abused or exploited, it would ideally be easier to spot and act on. There hasn’t been a lot of research into what causes pedophilia or how to treat it in a way that would reduce/eliminate people acting on those urges. Research could be conducted into practical and holistic ways to treat their condition. Poverty is strongly linked to sexual violence of all kinds and the abolition of poverty would surely have a big part to play in the reduction of many things, including child sexual abuse. A society formed around the ideals of libertarian socialism present a real opportunity to end the cycle of abuse and that would certainly play a role in reducing child sexual exploitation.
There’s plenty more to say about this and there’s obviously a lot of detail not covered in my brief comment but there are solutions to this baked into the ideological framework of anarchism and libertarian socialism. I’m not going to say we have all the answers, of course we don’t. But a society organized from the bottom up, with a focus on equality, safety and prosperity for all would not only be incentivised to solve these problems, but would be much quicker to act due to the lack of bureaucratic red tape
Some of us are kinda both. Not many, though.
Perhaps some facets of libertarianism are really fucked up?
Slavery and child porn are debated by libertarians because the only way to address both is centralized government. However, since most (though not all) libertarians are opposed to any central government, they end up justifying with “well if you want to sell yourself as a slave, why should anyone stop you?”.
But yeah, obviously it’s us that are aware of this who are the fucked up ones.
I’d argue pedophilia can be to some degree be addressed with proper mental healthcare.
I’m curious what the downvotes are for… Are they saying there’s no helping them or even the thought of helping them is bad?
Of literally all the kinds of people in the world with all the kinds of mental issues they could have, I’ve never seen more vicious hatred of a group than pedophiles. Not to defend them, but it could be as simple as having a sexual attraction but literally never acting on it, yet still I see “kill them, drag them by their genitals, let dogs eat them alive and pee on them” etc… that kind of absolute dehumanizing hatred. Even the sociopaths that are literally destroying the world get by with less violent hatred.
Again, not defending pedophiles, I just think that if it’s an issue of mental help then they should be helped, not hunted.
Can be addressed with assassination politics aimed at slavers and child abusers.
We can solve [crime against humanity] by [commiting crime against humanity]
That’s literally just a government lol
But without the monopoly on killing slavers and child abusers.
Yeah, you gotta take some risks. There’s no magical fix to bad shit. We just do our best and try to do better.
You think it’s a crime against humanity to kill a slaver?
It is a crime against humanity to willingly take a life, no matter how vile the person
Very nice of you to link that, I don’t see how this disproves my opinion, as murder is still mentioned on multiple occasions
Yeah, libertarians acknowledge that 12 year olds are children, they just also want to fuck children.
Found the libertarian.
To be fair, we make fun of ourselves in this regard.
Nathan Larson was a libertarian- no need to spin up narratives when it sets itself up, nice try though.
