I have heard people having issues with archiving emails using protonmail. Curious to hear of people’s email provider and why?
Whe I moved away from Gmail it was the only one that had an offer that I liked: email, cloud, contacts, calendar, office stuff (groupware) AND it had (at the time) a very flexible price. I didn’t need lots of storage and Mailbox was the only one that had the option to change capacity. Now it doesn’t. Either way, still very good. The web client is a bit slow and I’m not a fan of how they handle 2FA, but still better than Gmail for me.
I did want to go with disroot, I forget why I didn’t. Proton didn’t have a calendar when I was shopping around. Do you still need a separate app for Proton or does it have IMAP now?
I second mailbox.org. Great email provider that I use too.
I’m still testing a few. The following list is favorite to least favorite after a month or so of use:
Skiff (free version - 10GB storage) - Using webmail is easy and straight forward, cell app is about the same. REALLY like that you basically get 4 email accounts (1 main and 3 alias account names), which is different than the others below. With the different aliases, this gives me an option to use Skiff for everything (if I choose to put it all in "one basket” - for personal, business and purchases/spam type uses). No integrated calendar, but significantly larger storage is a big plus. Otherwise, separate calendar app is fine, and they seem to be regularly making improvements. They also just implemented: “Quick Aliases are on mobile! Looking to protect your identity on mobile? You can now claim maskmy.id domains on mobile and use them to create privacy-protecting aliases that forward to your Skiff account.”
Tutanota (free - 1GB) - Using webmail is easy and straight forward as well, cell app about same. Main problem is, I’m never going to say “my email is [email protected]” to anyone I know, especially business acquaintances. Name just sounds like something my mother or grandparents were scammed into using. They just changed the name from Tutanota to Tuta for some reason, so they could have taken the opportunity to come up with something different. However, the integrated calendar is nice, instead of a separate app. I’ve always swiped right to delete an email, but that’s archive on this app, and there is no option to change it. It’s been requested to have this option coded in (which it has been on Skiff) from others for year/s prior and no change has been made, so not expecting a lot of updates / improvements going forward.
Proton (free - 1GB, 500MB before doing 4 “tasks”) - Using webmail, cell app and separate calendar are all fine, I just prefer the other two so far.
I actually self host it on a Raspberry Pi. Downside is that I can’t set up reverse DNS lookup, so some email providers won’t let me sent emails to them but it’s not a huge issue for me because I rarely send emails anyway. I mostly use my email for registrating accounts and that sort of stuff.
Tutanota
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I’m on a friend’s mail server with my own domain pointing at it.
That plus a catchall address means I can give out different email addresses to every website, app, and service provider without having to rely on things like Gmail’s plus addresses being accepted. That makes it really easy to tell who leaked my address to spammers – and to filter out the resulting spam.
Add to that Thunderbird’s built-in address spoofing functionality and I can even do that for outgoing mail.
So whether you go self-hosted or have a provider that allows custom domains, I can really recommend setting one up. They’re not too expensive (unless you go with some of the more exotic gTLDs) and I consider hassle-free per-service email addresses to be a game changer.
Skiff.com I wanted to degoogle and Proton seems too bloated for me right now, too flashy and all. Same reason I cannot get used to thunderbird, I just need an email client not a whole suite. (Recommendations welcome haha)
Protonmail with Blur Abine for most shopping or junk.
3 proton emails, 1 for gaming, 1 for anything with my real name, and 1 with my fake name.
I’ve been paying one euro per month for posteo for almost a decade now.
I’ve also been using posteo for a long time and I gotta say, if you just want email, calDAV and cardDAV which will work with any email client its great
Protonmail for privacy, gmail for whatever else, and anonaddy for aliases for different websites.
I use Proton Mail and archive all of my emails, no issues. I’m very happy with Proton.
Slightly off-topic, but do you use Proton’s other products? If so, would you recommend any of them?
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Not the same guy, but i do use protons services. I like the seamless integration of simplelogin for burner mails that you can also answer with from your proton inbox, VPN across multiple devices (work well on android and windows, but the linux client is severely lacking), the calender is basic but has the functionality i want from a calendar, proton password manager integrates well with mail/simplelogin so you can create aliases and logins seamlessly. Their Drive solution i dont use much since it’s all manual backup at the moment.
If you want an easy one-stop solution that works generally well with no tinkering, I’d say it’s worth it.
How is the calendar basic? I use it and haven’t noticed anything I want that it can’t do.
I mean, it does what a calender should do i guess. I can make appointments and that stuff, which is just the basic functionality expected of a calender application, but there’s no sharing or syncing whatsoever.
I host my own.
Mind me asking what server you use? I’m looking to self-host myself.
Sendmail + Mimedefang + Spamassassin + Dovecot + Sieve
For calendar and contacts I’m using radicale.
Authentication is via ldap.
This solution admittedly requires a bit of experience and knowledge of how it all works. It blows the doors off most bundled or commercial things you’ll find though.
Used to use proton but switched to mullvad vpn and tutanota (email+calendar) for better linux and android support. Protons linux vpn client is literally unusable for me (I don’t use networkmanager, and it only supports that) and they don’t support ipv6 while mullvad worked instantly for me and supports ipv6, and proton doesn’t have a linux email client, and their email app isn’t on fdroid and depends on google play services. Tutanota has a good linux client, is on fdroid, and doesn’t depend on google
I don’t work for Proton, but I don’t think you looked for the required info: you can set up OpenVPN or wireguard without using NetworkManager or the ProtonVPN application:
https://protonvpn.com/support/linux-openvpn/
https://protonvpn.com/support/wireguard-manual-linux/
But all other criticisms stand. I’m using Protonmail at the moment and I hate that they don’t have native integration of contacts/calendar for Android. I think I’ll move out next year, when my subscription expires.
Hetzner and Gmail
