probablyaCat

Woohoo both systems suck. You can actually believe that just because one system is bad, what is considered the opposite is also bad. Marx was not some omniscient doctor manhattan. He had some ideas. Some were good critiques on capitalist culture. Others were fantasy that do not function in the real world.

I’m sure there were extra houses after all those people that starved to death.

Yeah those soviets sure got rid of the homeless problem. Can’t be homeless when you were intentionally starved to death.

Ha I had this issue once upon a time too! And the one above with the wifi driver b43-fwcutter. Apparently not great laptop choices. The touchpad situation was awful, because the sensitivity was always insane. IIRC I had a way to slow it down, but then it was so so slow that I had to go over it like 30 times to get across the diagonal. Good times.

So are you arguing that both the governments of Israel and Palestine in no way represent the people they govern?

So again, the entire state of Israel? The ones elected in free and fair elections? Don’t get me wrong. I am not a fan of Likud and I loathe ben Gvir and Otzma Yehudit. Just all of it. And only Hamas. The group that won what was called a free and fair election by the EU and the Carter Center and continues to be ahead in opinion polling since they have stopped elections. What are you defining as “Israel the State”?

Why do you say Israel and Hamas? Not Likud. Not otzma Yehudit. Just Israel. All of Israel is an enemy? But only Hamas when it comes to Palestine. What about the PLO? Are they fine? Yesh Atid? Or is it really just only Hamas but all of Israel?

I hate the idea that older kids shouldn’t do it. Like I remember getting shit when I decided to be kid-like again at 15 after not having done it when I was 13 and 14.

Houses told me I was too old. And looking back now, as a parent of teens, and I wish they and their friends were just going out trick r treating. I will definitely encourage any kid I see. And at my age anyone under 26 is a kid, easily. I’d much rather kids do something communal and fun than just go out drinking. I’m sure that by the next Halloween when I was 16 I was probably doing something less good than asking for free candy.

If we want people to be communal, have fun, and be safe then we shouldn’t give them shit when they do that. So I don’t care if the old dude down the streets dons a skeleton costume and grabs a pillow case. If he has a costume, he gets candy. And anyone who tells me different will get called out for being a killjoy.

I miss my life as it was before

This sucks. I’m a very pro-Israel person. I still don’t want civilians to suffer. On the other hand, that before she mentions is before the government elected by people there perpetrated the third largest terrorist attack in history. It’d be real great if there were something … Like… Soldiers to keep the peace maybe… That would guard things like fuel so it isn’t stolen or hospitals so that hospitals built by say a union of nations or something aren’t used in rocket attacks.

I miss the days when a 2 state solution seemed imminent. Gaza being demobilized was supposed to be a stepping stone to exactly that.

What do you mean when you say “a people”?

I’m not a military mastermind. More of an armchair 5 star general. But I feel like there are probably more effective ways to mine hunt than this. I get it was a mine hunter, but perhaps if they found them without blowing up in the process it would be a more sound strategy. But this does seem to be their consistent philosophy. It seems to be how they find anti tank mines as well. Unarmed soldiers to get rid of bullets. I wonder if they will start using jets to run into drones next. It’s almost like a reverse war of attrition.

Personally, if I were in charge of the military, I’d probably at the very least compare costs of the average mine to the average Russian navy ship.

But I suppose it does offer a good morale boost when they show their mine hunter successfully finding mines. For Ukraine.

Ah there it is. So ethnic cleansing it is then? That’s what you’re supporting. And where do you suppose the almost 10 million people will go?

You absolute antisemitic little fool. How will that make peace? What will happen with the people? What is the history of the region and those people? None of that matters, huh? Just all of Israel should fuck off. It isn’t that you want peace. It is that you’ve decided one group is an outsider and they have no rights to be where they are. And how do you imagine that will play out?

So edgy and clever. What parts of what used to be called Mandatory Palestine, and is currently considered Israel and the territories of Palestine, do you consider colonialism?

But I didn’t comment a non sequitur. Or if I did, where was the gap in the logic?

What do you consider their colonialism?

Jesus fuck. I wasn’t reductive of apartheid. I was pointing out that apartheid was the policy and south Africa was the nation state. You are reductive of apartheid by trying to simplify it enough that Israel fits your definition of it.

And again, it did not start from scratch. There was a lot of things that were done and existed during the change. A constitution is only one part of a nation state. They already had international recognition. No one was disputing the borders of south Africa. Changing internal borders is an entirely different thing to changing international borders. Literally right next door was south West Africa. Which, if you really want to shoehorn this comparison is a clearly better comparison. But they had an entire civil war forming national and international boundaries. Seriously. It is clear you’ve just read a few lefty articles about how some people from SA say that Israel is an apartheid state.

But let me show you. SWA was a territory controlled by Germany until WWI (check), British gain control (check), UN defines it as mandatory swa governed by SA governed by great Britain (check), great Britain makes plan for SA to be independent and swa to be independent, but (now this is where things differ) SA is like nah and takes control, doesn’t give it up, and institutes apartheid there as well. Eventually the whole region falls into a border war and closely intertwined civil war in Angola. And then we got Namibia.

There are a lot of parallels. But that doesn’t mean it is the same. And when you try to make it the same it is reductive for both sides. The apartheid of SA and SWA is orders of magnitude above the restrictions in the west bank and Gaza. It ignores the backgrounds and why some of those things exist. It was made to have essentially an entire slave class in SA and SWA. Palestinians are not slaves. Arab Israelis certainly experience systemic racism in Israel. But not something that can be classified as apartheid.

Like what things specifically do you think qualifies it as apartheid.

Do you often like to toss out obvious statements that no one was debating into conversations?

What do you mean by fuck off?

See. You obviously weren’t actually interested in my answer. You just wanted to spew overly simplified nonsense. You didn’t answer a single question I asked so that I could answer your question appropriately. SA didn’t start over entirely. They didn’t dissolved the state and then just decide on things like the border after apartheid. Apartheid was a policy. An awful one. South Africa is a place. So what the fuck are you even asking as you talk to yourself.

I mean, you can draw parallels with events from any 2 random countries. That doesn’t make it the same. If anything a closer comparison would be the events with South West Africa. But that would have more to do with the territorial aspects than the apartheid aspects.

Because they’d be attacked, kidnapped, and/or killed. Seriously what kind of question is this? How do you propose they go into Gaza, distribute the aid, and not get attacked. Hamas is rolling right up to the aid and stealing it. Are you suggesting Israel completely occupy the region and maintain security in order to distribute aid?