• ashar@infosec.pub
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    9 months ago

    Time for the Sverige Democrats to say something stupid, bigoted and offensive to Türkiye

  • 332@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    We’ve caught on to how this works now. I anticipate about two more iterations of tedious, drawn out flip-flopping and misinformation during the remaining steps before we are either finally let in or the whole thing fizzles out.

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      9 months ago

      There is already very heavy pressure on Turkey to let Sweden in, so I don’t see this having any chance to fizzle out, Turkey may be a valuable member, but there are limits to their value.

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          9 months ago

          I think getting out of Mediterranean at Gibraltar is worth more than getting into the black sea. If Turkey wants to play hardball with EU USA and NATO, they will quickly realize how much they are the underdog, and no idiot dictator shouting his stupidities can prevent that.
          Turkey is not playing by the rules, but is exploiting a situation, despite the it would benefit Turkey too to have Sweden in NATO.
          If Turkey can’t respect the mutual interests of an international institution they themselves benefit from, they can go fuck themselves.
          Some things can be bought at too high a price.

          • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
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            9 months ago

            It’s very different. Turkey completely controls access to the Black Sea, which ties into several MAJOR river networks across Europe. The strait of Gibraltar is much wider, and also not controlled by a single nation, so it’s far less feasible to block, for a lot of reasons.

  • driveway@lemmy.zip
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    9 months ago

    I don’t understand the pressure to let Sweden in.

    • There is no doubt PKK is a terrorist organisation.
    • There is no doubt that Sweden has been funding them for years.

    I don’t see why a nation would willingly go into a defense pact with another nation that actively funds a terrorist organisation.

    Especially when in case of a war, until the US decides to go all in and end it, Europe’s defense is up to Turkey and the UK. Why would they be willing to die for the Swedes?

    • pmk@lemmy.sdf.org
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      9 months ago

      Sweden classified PKK as a terrorist organization in 1984. Sweden does not finance PKK.