I wish they had negotiated something
-“Give me your home.”
“Wtf, no!”
-“Well then I’ll kill you for it then”
Some random observer: “I wish they’d negotiated and just given the guy half of their home, then we’d not be in this situation…”
Is there an adult around that could help you ?
Is that really the best response you can think of?
Why would I give you my best ?
You ridiculed my wish for peace, because you are probably a 15 year old boy who still thinks of the world in terms of goodies and baddies.
You’re excited by war, because you think it’s like on TV and have trouble thinking beyond the rudimentary concepts of good and evil.
The world is not like that, but as you’ve demonstrated, it’s not something you are ready to discuss.
Do you think a negotiation would guarantee peace? Russia has shown that any peace is temporary and they’ll continue whenever they like. Russia already invaded and seized Ukrainian territory once. The world didn’t take a harsh response, and here we are, with Russia invading and trying to seize Ukrainian territory once more.
What would be so different this time to stop Russia from going after Ukraine once more? At some point you have to dig in your heels. It’s a paradox of peace – you cannot have a peaceful society unless you are willing to fight to defend it.
Youre wrong on all counts there, but most importantly to the actual topic of discussion, a negotiated settlement in which the aggressor is just given some of the territory they are attempting to conquer (which is exactly what a negotiated settlement between Ukraine and Russia as the war has gone thus far would have been, because what else could Ukraine have possibly offered to convince Russia that it was worth it to give up their attack?) is not a wish for peace, its a wish for appeasement. It sounds like peace at first glance, sure, but by rewarding aggressive action, it gives every incentive for the aggressor to simply attack again later, in the hope of gaining more concessions. If this kind of policy led to peace, there never would have been a second world war. I do not like war the way you seem to think, but I do not want it tomorrow either. Ensuring that there is as little incentive as possible for those with the means to start them to do so, requires that those that start wars are not allowed to gain by doing so, and Russia has indisputably started this one, therefore to ensure peace, it must lose.
It would be great if all peace took was for everyone involved to sit down and talk, but as you say, the world is not like that.
Yeah, if only they’d just surrendered to Putin immediately he wouldn’t have had to massacre so many of them in this way. He could have done it quietly and out of sight, where it wouldn’t bother us.
You and 21 others think negotiation means to surrender.
I hope your education wasn’t expensive.
Minsk 1 and 2; can’t negotiate with someone who doesn’t know the meaning of good faith.
You seem to think that (1) there is something legitimate to negotiate and (2) Putin can be taken at his word.
Putin already annexed Crimea in 2014, breaking one Russian promise to uphold the territorial integrity of Ukraine. This invasion marks a second time Russia proved they can’t be trusted. Why would anybody trust them a third time?
Thank you for the words you imagined I said .
The only negotiation should be the timeframe when Russia leaves and goes home.
The only timeline that should be accepted is “immediately”.
So brave !
Yes so they could all become Putin’s slave army after he took the rest of Ukraine without fear of Western aid and set his sights on the Baltics
The really grim thing about this ignorant comment is that everyone did
Russia has Crimea because they did negotiate last time. They surrendered land for peace. And that’s why it isn’t happening again
Death or glory eh ?
Some goal post moving there
If I was in Ukraine, I’d get out.
You mean just like how all the Jews of Europe just “got out” as the Nazis rolled over country after country?
Because that sort of thing is so easy…
Jews didn’t kill nazis for years before that :)
How is that relevant?
It’s a vague analogy exactly like your comment.
What was vague about my analogy? I’m pretty sure showing that people generally can’t just up and leave a country en masse even if they’ll die if they remain by giving an example of that during a similarly dire time is the opposite of vague.
The nazis argued that the Czechs did, just like you are arguing the Ukrainians did. Every argument you make for this war on Russia’s side is an argument the nazis made for themselves. This I haven’t seen anyone provide me anything else. Only ban me from ml’s news for “trivializing nazism”. Ironic because denying the nature of nazi foreign policy does a lot to trivialize it.
Neither did Ukrainians so what’s your point?
You guys out in force today.
I wish Russians thought like you do.
If you are a man you are not allowed to leave. There are people who will promise to smuggle you out for many tens of thousands of dollars, but there’s no guarantee they will succeed at doing it, or even seriously try.
If you are a man you are not allowed to leave
That statement is both transphobic and sexist. It implies that gender determines one’s abilities or choices, which is not only untrue but also harmful. Everyone deserves to be treated with respect and dignity, regardless of their gender identity
I’m curious how you’d phrase it, there is a law in Ukraine and it is widely reported to apply to “men aged 18 to 60”. What phrasing would more accurately depict the current situation without having the problems you list? If you meant instead that the law itself is problematic, then I can understand that, it’s received some criticism for that side of things.
That statement is both transphobic and sexist.
Blame Zelensky, I guess. I mean I don’t, but it sounds like you should…
Hahaha so funny man
And yet the fact is that Zelensky made that order. You can consider it a transphobic and sexist order, but that is not the fault of anyone here.
Everyone does deserve respect and dignity*. The commenter above just meant that the martial law forces a part of the population to be used for conscription
*Until they break the social contract themselves. I know it wasn’t implied in this case but it’s a preventive mention so someone doesn’t make any weird assumptions
One day old troll account
He doesn’t support the current thing… He must be a troll right? 👍
You’re a ban evader, modlog is full of your corpse accounts.
Sure
Honestly same. Unfortunately this is what NATO wants
What does NATO want?
NATO wants Putin to not attack sovereign countries.
War
So NATO forced Putin to invade Ukraine?
Nobody said that
I see, Putin is just doing what NATO wants without NATO forcing him.
This feels like talking to a wall…
You’re not the smartest eh.
Too much of a pussy to actually post on your real account, huh?
Yes I’m super scared!!!
Yup. That’s why MATO is in adding so reign countries…
Your side needs smarter people if you want any chance of not wasting your time. You are not cutting it.
What side?
Blocked.
The account is a day old. It’s going to be a throwaway account. The person running it is just gonna be on a new account the next time you see them.
A more-interesting mechanism might be one that has some kind of trust metric.
Reddit Enhancement Suite remembered how many upvotes and downvotes you’d given a user on past posts and comments and put a total of each by their username, so there was an immediate trust metric available.
There are ways to game that, like building up bogus accounts with a reputation for the specific purpose of agenda-based posting – but if you’ve got a group using burner accounts to try to influence social media that has to at least pay for those accounts by producing past helpful and constructive content, I’d say that we’re at least starting things off on the right foot. And there are counters to such gaming attempts.
Thanks for telling us!
