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    If people still use it that way, it should be in the dictionary. Dictionaries are descriptive, not prescriptive

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      This, especially since dictionaries (at least Spanish ones) have a lot of abbreviations to indicate when a term is archaic, deprecated, rude, etc. Even if nobody uses it in such way today, considering it was used not so long ago, it should remain. It’s history and evidence of the discrimination, I get that it’s offensive but erasing it from the dictionary doesn’t do anything for their cause.

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        Here’s the definition:

        1. adj. despect. Dicho de una persona: Avariciosa o usurera. U. t. c. s.

        “despect.” is despectivo, which means “pejorative” or “derogatory”. Also, it’s the last definition given, not the first.

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          Fairy is a homophobic term. You may think it’s acceptable, but I’ve lived through homophobic abuse, so have many others but there is a very good reason I’m offended by the term.

          Homophobia has no place in modern society, and no amount of nihilistic sophistry will change my mind.

          I so I will be offended by you calling me a fairy, fag/faggot, shirt lifter, battyboy, fudgepacker…

          I’m two generations removed and on the wrong side of the family try to be considered jewish, but close enough that some living relatives are practicing Jews. I will also take offense at you using the word Jew and you using it in the way the post intends.

          Not because I’m a sissy fairy fag cocksucker, which I am, but because I’m big enough and ugly enough to tell you to go fuck yourself with your pseduo-intellectual circumlocution.

          You say yourself, “it’s not the word but how you use it” and then go on to use it as an epithet. There is nothing wrong with using the word fairy to describe Tinkerbell, or the mascot of absinthe, but when you proudly use it as an insult you’re being a hypocrite, you are using it exactly in an offensive way.

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              German gays call use the term “Tunte” quite a bit, somewhere in between “faggot” and “fruit”. And yes they mean it as an insult – not for being gay, but for sticking out your little finger when drinking prosecco, approximately. The polar opposite of flannel shirt.

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                If you still don’t get it let me know what you don’t understand and I’ll bust out the crayons and we can get to figuring out which ones you like the taste of. (Clue: This is offensive but uses no offensive words, because context)

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              I am one of the dozens of people in the world who wasn’t educated in America, so you know what they say about assuming.

              Your first paragraph repeats my point so I’m glad we agree, and your second paragraph also mostly agrees with me. What I would say you haven’t understood is that you said you call people fairies, and indeed “r/tards”, in an offensive manner and demand we’re not offended. You can’t police other people’s reactions. What’s the difference from saying “ah yes, but when I rob a bank it shouldn’t be illegal because I’m special!”

              I see your point - again - about how it’s the usage - yes, but I’ll say, also again, that my issue is with your usage.

              It’s ironic you would complain about my education and accuse me of missing the point when it’s your comprehension that’s at issue here.

              Finally, I’d like you to explain how “r/tard” can be used in a non-offensice context.

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                Finally, I’d like you to explain how “r/tard” can be used in a non-offensice context.

                “This new extinguisher excells at retarding a fire.”

                “The silencer retarded the sound of the firearm.”

                Its pretty damn easy to use words inoffensively if you know the definition of them. Retarded isn’t just a description of the mentally handicapped; it means to be held back, slowed down, or restrained.

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    I’m saddened to hear that there are still an appreciable amount of Spanish people talking about us that way, but I’m not upset at the dictionary for recording the way the language is used.

    I’m guessing it’s approached in something of a similar way to how English language dictionaries handle the word gyp, which is to give its definition and note that it is offensive.

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      Exactly, dictionary definitions are descriptive, not prescriptive. They describe how words are used, not prescribe how they should be used.

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    It’s like in Polish - the word “żyd” (jew) has negative connotations, and maybe it becomes rare in usage these days, but the negative meaning sticks. It’s still an offense to call somebody that.

    We have more words like this (cygan, rumun) that on its own are official words for etnicity or nationality, but carry some negative meaning. We also have dedicated words to call many different groups in offensive ways.

    However languages happen organically and they reflect how people speak, not the other way that there’s some sort of entity that dictates how the entire population should speak (although reformations are possible).

    Funny how people try to regulate that by law. We had such case in Polish when few years ago feminists tried to change how we call professions that are typically assigned with men, but some women are also performing them (police officer, firefigter, ministry etc). Some of those forms didn’t make sense completely due to semantics, some were dropped from the language decades ago and sound archaic or unnatural, the lobby lead to memes at the very most.

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        Fireman and policeman in English are also not offensive because they aren’t referring to gender or sex.

        Human - Group
        Humans - Collective Individuals
        Man - Individual
        Men - Collective Individuals (Non-sexed)

        Not to be conflated with

        Men - Collective (Sex Male)
        Women - Collective (Sex Female)
        Wo - Female, men - collective individuals (non-sexed).

        Keep in mind these are all traditional definitions and were constructed before sex and gender were determined to be separate and before intersex was a classification.

        We now often conflate those in common English with human and man and person being interchangeable. As man (individual) with man (sex). And many others conflate sex and gender.

        Firefighters - Group
        Fireman - Firefighting Individual
        Firemen - Firefighting Collective (Non-sexed)

        Police - Group
        Policeman - Policing Individual
        Policemen - Policing Collective (Non-sexed)

        The arguments for removing gender from professions is based on the misapprehension that the professions were ever related to gender and as a result mass illiteracy has made it an “issue”.

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    Definition of Zionist: right-wing scumbag who believes religion should dictate where people live, regardless of who suffers as a result.

    I don’t mind Jews, but I hate zionists because they are all religious nationalists by definition.

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          I know. I also know he can’t say that because they are all whiny little cowards.

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        One really has to be deep into antisemitism to think that’s a relevant point to make in a discussion on how the word Jew is defined in Spain.

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          Israel =/= Judaism

          There are Jews who don’t like the government of Israel, and Israelis critical of their own country.

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        See my other comment on the matter.

        Are you just upset I’m calling out zionism for what it is? I think so, but you’re going to try to lie and make it seem about something else.

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          I am asking why you are talking about Zionism on a post that isn’t about Zionism. If you do not think all Jews and Zionists are the same then why are you bringing it up here and now?

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              You have no other comments on this post. Have you made comments somewhere else about this specific post and how it’s relevant to Zionism?

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                I think they’re referring to “I don’t mind Jews.” It’s about as convincing as “I’m not racist but…”