Private jets are bad, agreed… How about making the change to veganism and also campaigning about private jets at the same time? Picking a different item on a menu is all it takes for a people in a lot of places and it’s t really the type of problem that humanity should be throwing everything at.
Speaking as someone who is plant based, it’s a false dichotomy anyway. It’s not “go vegan or eat lots of meat”. People who don’t share the vegan philosophy could just eat very little meat and make a huge difference to the planet, just like how I bike or walk to work but once in a while I drive.
I don’t understand why everything has to be some lifestyle piece now. It’s so all or nothing instead of taking the battles you can win when you can win them.
It’s mostly an internet thing, especially a Reddit thing. I don’t think it’s as much a widespread culture as all that if you talk to folks who aren’t terminally online.
I think you’re talking about veganism exclusively and I’m more talking everything.
You can’t just be someone who likes something or thinks something, it now has to be your lifestyle or part of you. You’re not just a person who like riding bikes, your a cyclist and you have to strive to wear spandex and all that. I think it’s pretty common when talking about phones where people will make the computer they keep in their pocket a statement about themselves.
Nah, I’m talking about everything. Tons of people still ride bikes for transport and don’t identify as cyclists, or don’t really care whether their phone is an android or iPhone. A large majority of people don’t identify with little details of their lives like that, but when you go online into a specific topic there’s a much higher chance of running into people who feel really strongly about it, because they’re drawn to the topic and are participating in a subset of people who already tend to be really passionate about nerdy shit.
Yeah, and furthermore, what types of meat you eat make an even greater difference. The worst offender is factory farmed beef, which produces close to a tenfold more emissions per protein amount than chicken, pork or fish.
One thing that surprised me when looking into this a few years ago is that chicken is a surprisingly carbon-light source of protein (note, emissions/grams of protein, not emissions/calorie) in the northern hemisphere.
This is why the purist arguments and preaching are incredibly counterproductive. We’d see a much larger reduction in emissions if everyone who ate a ton of beef ate chicken instead, compared to if everyone who ate chicken went vegan. This study even suggests you can have vegan diets which are worse for the environment than just having chicken.
I’m all for doing all of it. I am just making a statement that I am tired of it all being put on those of us with the least overall impact for the extensive amount of cooperative effort it takes.
I hear you! It’s frustrating how much is out of our control. I find some people neglect to do what they can because some people, corporations or countries are a larger problem - sorry for mistakenly lumping you in with them!
Private jets are bad, agreed… How about making the change to veganism and also campaigning about private jets at the same time? Picking a different item on a menu is all it takes for a people in a lot of places and it’s t really the type of problem that humanity should be throwing everything at.
Speaking as someone who is plant based, it’s a false dichotomy anyway. It’s not “go vegan or eat lots of meat”. People who don’t share the vegan philosophy could just eat very little meat and make a huge difference to the planet, just like how I bike or walk to work but once in a while I drive.
I don’t understand why everything has to be some lifestyle piece now. It’s so all or nothing instead of taking the battles you can win when you can win them.
It’s mostly an internet thing, especially a Reddit thing. I don’t think it’s as much a widespread culture as all that if you talk to folks who aren’t terminally online.
I think you’re talking about veganism exclusively and I’m more talking everything.
You can’t just be someone who likes something or thinks something, it now has to be your lifestyle or part of you. You’re not just a person who like riding bikes, your a cyclist and you have to strive to wear spandex and all that. I think it’s pretty common when talking about phones where people will make the computer they keep in their pocket a statement about themselves.
Nah, I’m talking about everything. Tons of people still ride bikes for transport and don’t identify as cyclists, or don’t really care whether their phone is an android or iPhone. A large majority of people don’t identify with little details of their lives like that, but when you go online into a specific topic there’s a much higher chance of running into people who feel really strongly about it, because they’re drawn to the topic and are participating in a subset of people who already tend to be really passionate about nerdy shit.
See I have those experiences while not online. Maybe it’s a cultural thing but I feel like online people are often less about the lifestyle.
I can’t remember the last time I saw someone make an Apple product their lifestyle online but I know of a handful in person.
Yeah, and furthermore, what types of meat you eat make an even greater difference. The worst offender is factory farmed beef, which produces close to a tenfold more emissions per protein amount than chicken, pork or fish.
One thing that surprised me when looking into this a few years ago is that chicken is a surprisingly carbon-light source of protein (note, emissions/grams of protein, not emissions/calorie) in the northern hemisphere.
This is why the purist arguments and preaching are incredibly counterproductive. We’d see a much larger reduction in emissions if everyone who ate a ton of beef ate chicken instead, compared to if everyone who ate chicken went vegan. This study even suggests you can have vegan diets which are worse for the environment than just having chicken.
I’m all for doing all of it. I am just making a statement that I am tired of it all being put on those of us with the least overall impact for the extensive amount of cooperative effort it takes.
I hear you! It’s frustrating how much is out of our control. I find some people neglect to do what they can because some people, corporations or countries are a larger problem - sorry for mistakenly lumping you in with them!