Also same in the Central Railway Station of Helsinki, Finland. Apparently an organic protest without a spokesperson. Protests require to be notified to the police beforehand here so this was a surprise
It is greatly worrying that the violence there is spilling over to our country.
The protestors are right and the government is wrong.
Not in our name. We want no part in crimes against civilians in this Israel-Hamas conflict.
be careful if you’re jewish or queer when you attend these!
Why?
Bigotry and hatred for both groups. LBGT people are oppressed in Palestine. In Gaza, same sex relationships are illegal and punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_State_of_PalestineThese are Netherlanders, not Gazans
There’s been violence towards Jews and Queers during these rallies.
Dude’s a Zionist antisemitic fearmongerer.
Glad I passed on going into town today
I would honestly like to see whether these people support Palestinians or just support terrorism
Why don’t you take a guess? How many people really “just support terrorism”? The concept is bizarre.
I’ve run into a handful of people here on Lemmy who support Hamas and their actions.
You would be surprised. Be happy you don’t know these people who shout, “Hamas is a liberation movement!”
They have attacked pro palestinian supporters that say hamas are terrorist. So a lot of them seem to support terrorism.
I seriously have the impression that a huge amount of people can only see things in black and white
They seem to think if someone condemns Hamas they condemn Palestrina as a whole - or that if someone says the terrorism and taking hostages was bad they automatically support whatever Israel is doing since whatever it is it will be less cruel than what Hamas did.
Why does it seem so bewildering to do many people to see both sides as bad but also see that removing Hamas is a goal that’s worth fighting for as it’s the only road to peace for Palestine?
What are they protesting FOR - they are only against the current war (which is fine but very shortsighted) as far as I can tell.
They want them to stay under Hamas control? They don’t want a proposed united Palestine under control of the west bank government?
They want a Palestine “from the river to the sea” which means all Jews and Israel as a country is gone - but what happens if they won’t go peacefully? Would it be okay to attack civilians to drive them out of the country you claim is yours?
This whole thing is fucking complex - by picking a side like this it’s cutting too many corners and very shortsighted imho…
So happy I do not live in a big city right now. So annoying to be blocked by these people when trying to get anywhere.
You should also be happy you are not unfortunate to live either in Gaza or West Bank too. Because if you were I am sure you would have looked at this from a different angle.
I imagine if you lived in Sudan, Ethiopia, Myanmar, or any of the active wars that aren’t popular on tiktok, you’d also look at your comment from a different angle.
Not that virtue signalling protests are actually going to change anything for ordinary Gazans. But let’s be honest, no one actually cares that much about them either, or people would also spend more time protesting Hamas.
or people would also spend more time protesting Hamas.
So there are three problems with this:
1-Hamas is a response to Israeli occupation, not an independent phenomenon. You can’t stop them without taking out the root cause.
2-What, exactly, would protesting Hamas even accomplish? Protesting Israel is basically telling your government to put pressure on Israel to stop its genocide of Gaza. You can’t put pressure on Hamas since they’re already cut off from almost the whole world.
3-The assumption that the existence or non-existence of Hamas has any effect on Israeli treatment of Palestinians is very naive.
The assumption that the existence or non-existence of Hamas has any effect on Israeli treatment of Palestinians is very naive.
The blockade didn’t happen until Hamas was elected, the treatment of Gaza was obviously different before Hamas launched this attack. It is plainly obvious that Hamas had an effect on Israeli treatment of Palestinians, especially ones under their government.
It was an occupation before it became a blockade just in case you weren’t aware.
Right. Israel unilaterally left and disbanded all settlements in Gaza, then Gaza elected Hamas, then blockade.
No you’re mixing it up. It transitioned immediately from occupation to siege and that’s part of what let Hamas get a plurality (not a majority) of the vote.
Not to mention they set up settlements in the West Bank to this day.
Uh… No. After the disengagement they immediately (three months before the voting) blockaded Gaza.
I mean there are a ton of bad stuff happening many places. Don’t understand why I should care so much about this one.
Because if no one cares about those things they won’t change.
forming a protest march in a city thousands of miles away from the theater of war isnt going to change anything either - if it did, the huge protests in London, etc would have done something.
So let’s sit and watch how thousands of innocent lives are destroyed? Is this your solution? Or what solution do you suggest?
Protests themselves don’t do much, but Western governments are Israel’s biggest backers so Westerners working to change their policy on Israel does matter.
but the Biden administration is firmly behind Israel…
but the Biden administration is firmly behind Israel…
Reporting would suggest this is not the case.
Biden administration staff sign open letter demanding cease-fire in Israel-Hamas war
It’s a sign that you can’t continue living your life just the way you do. It’s a wake-up call, you dipshit.
Are blindly fired missiles next?
I absolutely can though? Looking forward to the next news cycle as this is getting kinda boring.
They should go protest to whom is doing the thing, not to bystanders. Hamas and IDF are doing this so maybe they should contact them?
Hamas and IDF are doing this so maybe they should contact them?
I’m sure that Hamas will lay down it’s arms and the IDF will immediately retreat from Gaza after receiving an angry call from these people.
So it would be just as effective as these “protests”.
This protest might make it to the “achtuurjournaal” and increase political pressure to actually do something. It’s unlikely that it will, but the chances of it doing anything are better than the alternatives.
Is one of those alternatives returning the hostages, laying down arms, and negotiating for peace? Because I feel like that’s a much better alternative that’s far more likely to end this conflict, and also something that Palestinians can do to end this immediately. Definitely more effective than shutting down train stations in unrelated countries.
You do realize the ones shutting down the train stations and the ones in charge of Hamas are not the same group? Pretty stupid to compare them like that. It’s like saying having murderers stop murdering is more effective than having police hunt down murderers and capturing them.
We don’t live in a direct democracy, we live in a representative one. Our representatives are supposed to, you know, represent us, in putting our government’s resources to action according to our intentions.
Yawn… yet another worthless white moderate whining that other people’s lives and freedom are less important than his convenience.
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If you’re going to invoke Dr. King in this conflict you should be aware of his position regarding it.
MLK has been dead for 50+ years. Claiming he has a position on Netanyahu’s genocidal tactics is utter nonsense.
It’s almost like this conflict extends back a long time, and the root causes of it, and cited motivations for violence, haven’t changed since his time.
It’s almost like it’s bad-faith trolling to pretend root causes are relevant when we’re actually talking about Israel’s current tactics. It’s pretty fucking disgusting that you apparently can’t agree that genocide is wrong no matter who started it.
Israel’s current tactics are the result of the position it finds itself in, fighting against a guerilla terrorist government in a densely populated urban area. And that’s because of a long causal chain of events going back to the root causes. King was alive during most of what Palestine considers instigating events, the Nakba, the '67 war…
Only one side of this conflict explicitly intends to commit genocide, and it’s not Israel. Only one side did commit genocide when they had the upper hand, and it wasn’t Israel. Historical context is relevant and not just yesterday’s tactics, considered in a vacuum.
Although war is tragic, I don’t consider this a genocide. Eliminating an ethnic group is clearly not Israel’s intention or motivation. If it were they could have easily done so by now and they haven’t for obvious reasons. I oppose genocide, I don’t oppose self-defense. This is about safety for them.
Eliminating an ethnic group is clearly not Israel’s intention or motivation.
https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/588452/Israeli-Government-Mulls-Forcible-Permanent-Transfer-of-2-2-Million-Gaza
If Israel wanted to change their position, they’d think seriously about peace. The last administration who did was Rabin’s, and he got assassinated for it.
I think it’s great that you’re such a big fan of Amy Schumer that you’ve endorsed her terrible take on this. I can’t say I’m that big a fan, but I love some of her comedy. Her realistic military game sketch is a great bit.
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