Unions have been gaining class consciousness since their inception. It took a general strike of only white people in New Orleans for unions to realize that they will never succeed unless they accept and fight for black people too. The Wilmar 8 strike was a turning point for unions accepting women. Not to mention that this is probably from the IWW, which has always accepted women.
You gave one item of evidence, I would assume they’re saying it’s not enough to be able to say that about unions (that they have always had issues with women). They addressed what you said and added to it, so neither?
Neither. I’m saying that worker-led organizations are prone to the biases of the workers that make up the organization, but their reliance on class consciousness means that unions never keep their status quo bias for long. The president of the UAW today is a feminist and socialist. The CWA organizers I work with are anti racist and socialists.
ok and? I’m talking about important individuals that play a vital part in building and directing worker power. You’re discussing rando teamsters. Yes, there are shitty people in unions. Yes, at one point unions didn’t have the knowledge they have today. That history is important. I won’t deny or downplay it, there are some unions that have some very ugly history. However, unions today are not like they were in the past, because unions are solely led by the workers, and those MAGA fascists are a minority in every union in the country. But like I said before, this probably came from the IWW, which never had those problems.
Unions have been gaining class consciousness since their inception. It took a general strike of only white people in New Orleans for unions to realize that they will never succeed unless they accept and fight for black people too. The Wilmar 8 strike was a turning point for unions accepting women. Not to mention that this is probably from the IWW, which has always accepted women.
Are you saying what I said did not happen or are you downplaying it?
You gave one item of evidence, I would assume they’re saying it’s not enough to be able to say that about unions (that they have always had issues with women). They addressed what you said and added to it, so neither?
We’re all saying that you’re up-playing it. It’s not that hard to understand.
Here, let me help you:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Overgeneralization
Reporting facts is up-playing. Very well. Disneyfy it
Your facts don’t support your conclusion, kiddo.
Did it happen yes or no?
Neither. I’m saying that worker-led organizations are prone to the biases of the workers that make up the organization, but their reliance on class consciousness means that unions never keep their status quo bias for long. The president of the UAW today is a feminist and socialist. The CWA organizers I work with are anti racist and socialists.
And the teamsters I have dealt with the pass few years are maga types.
ok and? I’m talking about important individuals that play a vital part in building and directing worker power. You’re discussing rando teamsters. Yes, there are shitty people in unions. Yes, at one point unions didn’t have the knowledge they have today. That history is important. I won’t deny or downplay it, there are some unions that have some very ugly history. However, unions today are not like they were in the past, because unions are solely led by the workers, and those MAGA fascists are a minority in every union in the country. But like I said before, this probably came from the IWW, which never had those problems.