Hamas has indicated it is currently unable to identify and track down 40 Israeli hostages needed for the first phase of a ceasefire deal, according to an Israeli official and a source familiar with the discussions, raising fears that more hostages may be dead than are publicly known.
    • Squizzy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4511·
      7 months ago

      They are probably still there, check hospitals, community centres, school, emergency camps… you will probably find their corpses under all the rubble from Israeli fired American and British missiles.

    • Altofaltception@lemmy.worldEnglish
      222·
      7 months ago

      The criteria are for women and the elderly to be released. The majority of the remaining hostages are men of military age (as Israel has mandatory conscription, they are military personnel by definition).

      • fukhueson@lemmy.worldEnglish
        53·
        7 months ago

        FTA:

        The framework that has been laid out by negotiators says that during a first six-week pause in the fighting, Hamas should release 40 of the remaining hostages, including all the women as well as sick and elderly men. In exchange, hundreds of Palestinian prisoners would be released from Israeli prisons.

        Hamas has told international mediators – which include Qatar and Egypt - it does not have 40 living hostages who match those criteria for release, both sources said.

        …

        With Hamas appearing to be unable to reach 40 in the proposed categories, Israel has pushed for Hamas to fill out the initial release with younger male hostages, including soldiers, the Israeli official said.

        So can Hamas fulfill that?

        • AdamEatsAss@lemmy.worldEnglish
          137·
          7 months ago

          Probably dead or unknown. Terror organizations aren’t usually known for their record keeping.

          • muse@fedia.io
            184·
            7 months ago

            Or blown up from the constant indiscriminate bombings of Israel. Thats also a possibility

          • bamboo@lemm.eeEnglish
            121·
            7 months ago

            And even when they try their best, it’s hard when a larger terrorist organization is actively trying to genocide them and bomb everything they know to rubble.

    • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
      185·
      7 months ago

      …

      According to who?

      The IDF?

      Why would anyone be listening to them at this point? They lie constantly about damn near everything…

      • LibertyLizard@slrpnk.netEnglish
        62·
        7 months ago

        I mean this is publicly verifiable information in terms of who went missing on Oct. 7th. It would be foolish to lie about it.

      • MeanEYE@lemmy.worldEnglish
        32·
        7 months ago

        No. Let’s listen to Hamas and Qatar funded AlJazeera. They totally never lie to suit their own needs.

        • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
          33·
          7 months ago

          Well, OP linked a CNN article. And CNN says there aren’t 40 noncombatant hostages…

          So, no…

          We don’t have to just listen to Hamas or Israel.

          Because Israel hasn’t been able to kill every international journalist that investigated their genocide. They’ve killed a shit ton, but not all of them.

          • MeanEYE@lemmy.worldEnglish
            21·
            7 months ago

            Demand was 40 hostages, but primarily non-combatant. Then fill the rest with the rest.

            • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
              13·
              7 months ago

              Demand

              At least your honest about what kind of “negotiations” these are.

              Israel made a demand that couldnt be followed, so they can say Hamas won’t agree to cease fire.

              • MeanEYE@lemmy.worldEnglish
                31·
                7 months ago

                You are really stretching logic here in order to justify your hate towards Israel or approval towards Hamas. Hamas kidnaps 100s of people, Israel wants 40 back and you say they are making unreasonable demands that can’t be followed? What should they say… naah keep em for raping and playing? Consider it a token of good faith?

    • OccamsTeapot@lemmy.worldEnglish
      43·
      7 months ago

      The Israeli prime minister’s office said Wednesday that of the 129 hostages from the October 7 attack currently held, 33 are dead.

      So are you saying this article you posted contains misinformation? Or did you not read it?

    • fukhueson@lemmy.worldEnglish
      23·
      7 months ago

      At one point both Israel and Hamas seemed to agree that there were approximately 200 250 hostages.

      https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/what-do-we-now-about-hamas-hostages-2023-10-19/

      HOW MANY HOSTAGES ARE THERE?

      An estimated 200 people, including 30 teenagers and young children and 20 people over the age of 60, are being held hostage in Gaza, Israel’s public broadcaster Kan said on Thursday, citing military sources.

      Hamas says it has 200 hostages and that 50 more are held by other armed groups in the enclave. It said more than 20 hostages have been killed by Israeli air strikes, but has not given any further details.

      Edit: Wikipedia cites a slightly higher number

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Israeli–Palestinian_prisoner_exchange

      In November 2023, Palestinian militants held around 250 people from Israel, including Israeli nationals and non-Israelis following their capture during the Hamas-led attack on Israel.

      Edit 2: my mistake, they corroborate their numbers (250)