• Hubi@feddit.de
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      1 year ago

      It was obviously bs from the first second, but how do alt right fantasies play into this? I thought the whole UFO thing was more like old-school conspiracy theories.

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    It was nonsense from the start. Grusch had no evidence, not so much as a blurry photo or shaky video. All he had was what someone told him. So someone supposedly told him that not only did the U.S. have multiple crashed UFOs and bodies, but that one of them crashed in Mussolini’s Italy and the Pope helped the U.S. smuggle it out.

    And people ate that shit up. And they’re still saying the big revelation is right around the corner, as it has been my entire life.

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      If it was nonsense, why did the Inspector General find his allegations “credible and urgent”, and forwarded them to Congress, where Grusch and other whistleblowers deposed under oath? And why have several Congressional committees announced that public hearings will be held in the upcoming months?

      Let’s not make the mistake of thinking that just because evidence has not been made available to us it means there is none. We don’t get to learn the most highly classified weaponry in the Pentagon, why would non-human technology be released any more widely? If you want more information to be made public, go write a letter to your elected officials telling them this matters to you.

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          > you need to touch grass, the text you sent just has the same allegations, nothing new nothing concrete

          The details are classified. You and I don’t get to see them. The people who do get to see the classified evidence, like some of the congresspeople I mentioned, take it seriously. The whistleblowers have allegedly provided Congress with the names of the people in charge of the reverse-engineering projects and the locations of the materials.

          Think again about that: the elected representatives with the best access to the most sensitive information take it seriously.

          What alternative explanation do you have for multiple congresspeople from both sides of the aisle being willing to investigate these claims and writing new laws to encourage more whistleblowers to come out?

          > why have i never heard of flying saucers in africa?

          How much news do you get from Africa, generally? You won’t know things when you don’t look for them.

          One of the most widely known mass UFO sightings happened in Zimbabwe in 1994 in the Ariel School.

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            The fact that Trump never revealed anything about Aliens is all the proof you need. He would never have been able to shut it about it if there was even a grain of truth to it

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              What makes you think that the alleged programs that have been supposedly kept secret from the Congress for decades were revealed to Trump? It stands to reason that if such programs existed, they would have been hidden from him as well.

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                1 year ago

                I mean, if you start like that, there is no discussion to be had. “If eVeN tHe prESidEnT doESn’t know”

                *insert dickbutt meme

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                  But that is precisely the central allegation of the whistleblowers that we are discussing: that certain research programs have been kept hidden from the Congress. And that is why the Congress has already passed bills to encourage whistleblowers to come out and report what they know specifically about UFOs.

                  Why did they write such specific legislation? Do you think it may be because they already knew about some whistleblowers that wanted to speak?

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        1 year ago

        “Credible and urgent” referred to his fear of reprisals after claiming whistle blower status. The Inspector General rightly considers this completely isolated from the legitimacy of the leaked information itself.

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          My understanding is that it referred to his allegations that some programs are being funded without the necessary Congressional oversight.

          Either way, the matter of fact is that Congress is addressing these concerns regarding oversight, not the reprisals suffered by this particular person. See the recently proposed regulation by Gallagher.