Would you also consider it preachy when people criticize other cases of animal harm, like bullfighting or dog beating, or is it just the financing of factory farming that can’t be criticized? If not, what’s the difference? It’s troublesome that people enforce a social stigma that you can’t talk about what we do to farm animals without suffering social consequences.
In this case I was talking about the OP tweet exchange, in which a guy replies specifically to peta
And in my other comments I wasn’t referring to vegans in general either, only the preachy and overdefensive ones. All the vegans I know IRL are good people who aren’t constantly preachy and defensive.
You can talk about your thoughts without being overly sensitive to criticism and ridicule. If you’d just chill the fuck out, I bet most other vegans would like you more too.
You’re literally posting anti-vegan shit, then vegans come into the replies and it’s “oh no I’m being attacked”. You’re trivializing real concerns and trashing people who disagree. GTFO of here with that bullshit.
then vegans come into the replies and it’s “oh no I’m being attacked” | “You’re trivializing real concerns and trashing people who disagree” - laughtrack
How would you be a better vegan? Is there a competitive vegan league? Is there a cash prize that goes out to whoever can anthropomorphize animals the most in dogshit ads? Because if so, I think making an Islamic state beheading video but with chickens shouting “Death to KFC!” Would really sell veganism to the American audience. Or maybe we could settle for annoying shitposters on a meme community. Both have an equal chance of working (0%)
He replied to me acting like I was at fault for defending myself. IDK why you’re going on this tangent of all the perceived slights vegans have done against you by speaking their minds. This is really fucked up, tbph, there’s a completely unreasonable expectation that vegans are never to speak about the ethics of animal agriculture to anyone.
See that’s interesting, when I tried to respectfully speak my mind on the vegan community in lemmy they just banned me after one comment, but exuse me for laughing at vegans whenever they leave their walled gardens and cry when nobody on the lemmy shitposting community wants to hear from the vegan community. You talk up and down about intellect and facts, but whenever I actually engage with vegans they have (90% of the time) just deleted or banned any criticism. That may or may not be you, but when you talk about vegans as a whole being this “oppressed community” unable to speak their mind, it’s just funny to me. Because at least here, you can come and be ridiculed, but you won’t be banned or censored.
I have a pretty good sense you posted something inflammatory and obnoxious in a vegan community, and frankly that doesn’t excuse you being hostile to vegans elsewhere, even if it was something you wrote in good faith and got banned for. Pointing out “hypocrisy” on the part of a group of people with heterogenous beliefs does not make sense.
My favorite “my group is too big, thus you can’t criticize it because there may be two whole people who aren’t obnoxious” defense. Hate to break it to you, but I can. Until literally ONE Vegan behaves differently then any I have engaged with, I can and will continue labeling the community as obnoxious. You are also not helping their case.
Yes, this is the typical reaction people have to vegans saying ANYTHING. It is not fun for us to live our entire lives prohibited from ever being able to say what WE THINK. You clearly do not have experience being a vegan, the social reception you get for taking a perfectly reasonable stance is just open hostility that you’re not even allowed to defend yourself against. Which is on full display to anyone reading this thread.
This is a typical reaction to people like you not vegans vegetarians or other diets or food fads I don’t shit on someone because they like pink sauce I shit on someone based on the character and personality
Fun fact: like most people, I’m pretty damn ridiculous at times. This means that I sometimes am the object of criticism and/or ridicule. You and I have that in common.
Here’s the difference, though: I don’t go out of my way to play the persecuted martyr.
Not eating meat is a perfectly reasonable personal decision. Not using any animal products of any kind sounds difficult to the point of constant exhaustion to me personally, but if that’s what makes you happy, then that’s good.
Just like the bad kind of religious person though, you’re preaching that everyone who doesn’t make the same choice is wrong and should be ashamed of themselves. While simultaneously acting like everyone’s out to get you no matter what you say and do. That’s not not reasonable.
I am not “going out of my way to play the persecuted martyr”, I opened the Lemmy home page and “post trashing vegans” was post #3. I thought I left this shit behind when I left reddit, but now it’s here too.
Not using animal products is not exhausting. I’ve done it for a decade and it’s a remarkably easy change where 99% of the difficulty comes from the wider society being hostile to it.
It is an ethical position based on an actual reality of animal agriculture causing vast suffering that we have chosen to opt out of supporting. It is absolutely reasonable and selfless to advocate for the rights of others at a minor, negligible personal sacrifice. It is not a sign of a need to shame others, a need to be a martyr, or any other personality defect that you’re going to project on vegans based on a stereotype despite knowing NOTHING about any of us as individuals. Nobody is trying to make you “feel ashamed”, we are pointing out objective facts about how the animal ag industry causes harm to animals, and then people like you, like you’re doing in this comment, right here, launch into this whole frigging diatribe about how vegans are shaming you and judging you and have a god complex and should just shut up and go back into their corners, because god forbid anyone should ever suggest that anything you’re doing is less than perfectly ethical.
It’s bullshit. I don’t know what else to tell you. I’ve been living with this for years and it’s absolute bullshit. Your position is wrong, it’s not a statement about you as a person, it’s a statement you should change your behavior. We are NOT at fault for showing the truth of the matter, that’s just a reactionary and ignorant position that people use to try to rationalize what’s convenient for them.
There’s absolutely no way, based on everything you’ve already said, that reading that novel will be worth the time and effort. Go take a nap or something.
Vegans are like religious people: most of them are totally fine. It’s the preachy and overly defensive ones that suck.
I have never seen a vegan preach, here or on reddit. But i have seen hundreds of comments complaining about preachy vegans.
That’s a streaming load of horse shit. You’re evidently wearing ideological blinders rivaling those of religious fundamentalists.
Would you also consider it preachy when people criticize other cases of animal harm, like bullfighting or dog beating, or is it just the financing of factory farming that can’t be criticized? If not, what’s the difference? It’s troublesome that people enforce a social stigma that you can’t talk about what we do to farm animals without suffering social consequences.
Dude made a joke at preachy hypocrites who kill a shitload of dogs. Lighten up and save your strawmen for another time.
Who kills a shitload of dogs? I think you replied to the wrong comment.
Peta do. They operate a shitload of shelters, none of which are no-kill.
You wrote vegans, not peta. Most vegans have nothing to do with Peta.
In this case I was talking about the OP tweet exchange, in which a guy replies specifically to peta
And in my other comments I wasn’t referring to vegans in general either, only the preachy and overdefensive ones. All the vegans I know IRL are good people who aren’t constantly preachy and defensive.
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And unfortunately the preachy ones are the only ones ever speaking up
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Because they’re using veganism as a substitute for having a personality. Never goes well.
If you tell anybody to stop doing something they like they’re going to tell you to fuck off.
Yeah like when they told us we shouldn’t use slaves anymore! Get off your high horse and stop telling us what to do!
comparing slavex to animals is what slavers do.
It’s comparing slave owner rhetoric to non-vegan rhetoric. Just because the word vegan comes up doesn’t mean animals are being compared.
it’s comparing the institution of slavery with the institution of animal husbandry. it’s comparing slaves to animals. it’s fucking gross.
Carnists have such bad reading comprehension. Let’s try another one and see if you get it
Yeah like when they told us we should give women rights! Get off your high horse and stop telling us what to do!
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i think this is a form of the “appeal to ridicule”
Yeah, it’s the ones who talk about their thoughts that are the issue. Fucking jerks!
You can talk about your thoughts without being overly sensitive to criticism and ridicule. If you’d just chill the fuck out, I bet most other vegans would like you more too.
I am not accepting non-vegans’ opinions on how to be a better vegan at this time. I will keep your comments on file.
Great! I’ll file that away under “N”: Nobody Fucking Cares.
Awesome. Thanks for helping make Lemmy a negative place inhospitable to differing viewpoints!
Your doing a great job of that already
You’re literally posting anti-vegan shit, then vegans come into the replies and it’s “oh no I’m being attacked”. You’re trivializing real concerns and trashing people who disagree. GTFO of here with that bullshit.
then vegans come into the replies and it’s “oh no I’m being attacked” | “You’re trivializing real concerns and trashing people who disagree” - laughtrack
Happy to help!
How would you be a better vegan? Is there a competitive vegan league? Is there a cash prize that goes out to whoever can anthropomorphize animals the most in dogshit ads? Because if so, I think making an Islamic state beheading video but with chickens shouting “Death to KFC!” Would really sell veganism to the American audience. Or maybe we could settle for annoying shitposters on a meme community. Both have an equal chance of working (0%)
If petah made an Islamic beheading video with chickens shouting death to kfc I would immediately reconsider my dietary choices
Although I should reconsider my dietary choices already it’s not like I make good ones
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He replied to me acting like I was at fault for defending myself. IDK why you’re going on this tangent of all the perceived slights vegans have done against you by speaking their minds. This is really fucked up, tbph, there’s a completely unreasonable expectation that vegans are never to speak about the ethics of animal agriculture to anyone.
See that’s interesting, when I tried to respectfully speak my mind on the vegan community in lemmy they just banned me after one comment, but exuse me for laughing at vegans whenever they leave their walled gardens and cry when nobody on the lemmy shitposting community wants to hear from the vegan community. You talk up and down about intellect and facts, but whenever I actually engage with vegans they have (90% of the time) just deleted or banned any criticism. That may or may not be you, but when you talk about vegans as a whole being this “oppressed community” unable to speak their mind, it’s just funny to me. Because at least here, you can come and be ridiculed, but you won’t be banned or censored.
I have a pretty good sense you posted something inflammatory and obnoxious in a vegan community, and frankly that doesn’t excuse you being hostile to vegans elsewhere, even if it was something you wrote in good faith and got banned for. Pointing out “hypocrisy” on the part of a group of people with heterogenous beliefs does not make sense.
My favorite “my group is too big, thus you can’t criticize it because there may be two whole people who aren’t obnoxious” defense. Hate to break it to you, but I can. Until literally ONE Vegan behaves differently then any I have engaged with, I can and will continue labeling the community as obnoxious. You are also not helping their case.
I’m not offering you advice on how to be a vegan. I have no experience with being a vegan, so I wouldn’t be qualified.
I do, however, have a lot of experience with not acting like an insufferable zealot with a persecution complex.
Yes, this is the typical reaction people have to vegans saying ANYTHING. It is not fun for us to live our entire lives prohibited from ever being able to say what WE THINK. You clearly do not have experience being a vegan, the social reception you get for taking a perfectly reasonable stance is just open hostility that you’re not even allowed to defend yourself against. Which is on full display to anyone reading this thread.
This is a typical reaction to people like you not vegans vegetarians or other diets or food fads I don’t shit on someone because they like pink sauce I shit on someone based on the character and personality
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Aaaand here goes the fucking preaching 🙄
Fun fact: like most people, I’m pretty damn ridiculous at times. This means that I sometimes am the object of criticism and/or ridicule. You and I have that in common.
Here’s the difference, though: I don’t go out of my way to play the persecuted martyr.
Not eating meat is a perfectly reasonable personal decision. Not using any animal products of any kind sounds difficult to the point of constant exhaustion to me personally, but if that’s what makes you happy, then that’s good.
Just like the bad kind of religious person though, you’re preaching that everyone who doesn’t make the same choice is wrong and should be ashamed of themselves. While simultaneously acting like everyone’s out to get you no matter what you say and do. That’s not not reasonable.
I am not “going out of my way to play the persecuted martyr”, I opened the Lemmy home page and “post trashing vegans” was post #3. I thought I left this shit behind when I left reddit, but now it’s here too.
Not using animal products is not exhausting. I’ve done it for a decade and it’s a remarkably easy change where 99% of the difficulty comes from the wider society being hostile to it.
It is an ethical position based on an actual reality of animal agriculture causing vast suffering that we have chosen to opt out of supporting. It is absolutely reasonable and selfless to advocate for the rights of others at a minor, negligible personal sacrifice. It is not a sign of a need to shame others, a need to be a martyr, or any other personality defect that you’re going to project on vegans based on a stereotype despite knowing NOTHING about any of us as individuals. Nobody is trying to make you “feel ashamed”, we are pointing out objective facts about how the animal ag industry causes harm to animals, and then people like you, like you’re doing in this comment, right here, launch into this whole frigging diatribe about how vegans are shaming you and judging you and have a god complex and should just shut up and go back into their corners, because god forbid anyone should ever suggest that anything you’re doing is less than perfectly ethical.
It’s bullshit. I don’t know what else to tell you. I’ve been living with this for years and it’s absolute bullshit. Your position is wrong, it’s not a statement about you as a person, it’s a statement you should change your behavior. We are NOT at fault for showing the truth of the matter, that’s just a reactionary and ignorant position that people use to try to rationalize what’s convenient for them.
There’s absolutely no way, based on everything you’ve already said, that reading that novel will be worth the time and effort. Go take a nap or something.