• lloram239@feddit.de
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    Hamas has launched in the realm of 7000 rockets at Israel civilians since October 7. But hey, keep blaming it all on Israel. Lets make antisemitism cool again, you are doing your part already.

    And as always: Propose an alternative to how Israel should defend itself instead. Still haven’t heard anybody give one and it has been weeks.

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      Why did you start counting at October 7th? Palestine, Hamas, and Israel have existed much longer and been in conflict much longer.

      Last I saw, which was before this conflict, Israel has killed 27 (I think, maybe 23 or something around there) Palestinians for every Israeli killed.

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      Commiting genocide against a civilian population is not self defense. How can you read an article like the OP and just be completely empty inside? How broken are you?

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        Commiting genocide against a civilian population is not self defense.

        For one, they don’t.

        And as always: Propose an alternative to how Israel should defend itself instead. Still haven’t heard anybody give one and it has been weeks.

        But keep listening to that Hamas propaganda it’s totally not rotting your brain away.

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          An alternative? There are infinite. They can start cooperating and make a good will gesture of returning occupied lands back to the Palestinian people. They can stop colonizing and murdering innocent civilians (which isn’t only just now happening, it’s constant in occupied lands). They can loosen restriction on travel between Gaza and Israel.

          The solution is to improve relations with the people. Attacking them and killing civilians only causes more hate, which causes more violence. It isn’t defence. It’s genocide. They get Hamas to attack and they get to kill more Palestinians.

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            They tried that, didn’t work, each time they were meet with more Hamas terrorism. What’s your second suggestion from the pool of infinite alternative?

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              They never tried that. They have been constantly expanding colonies and murdering civilians in occupied lands. The whole nation started with just some Jews colonizing the territory, and it was made official after that when they knew there was no stopping it (not that they would anyway). They did reduce their harm for a period, but they never really tried to do good.

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                They never tried that.

                They did, in the Gaza Strip which has no colonies, self rule and the 1967 borders. In the mid 2000s. They evicted every Jew from the Gaza strip

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                What’s your second suggestion from the pool of infinite alternative? Or are you already out of ideas?

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        Commiting genocide against a civilian population is not self defense.

        Only Hamas is doing that, though.

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          Isreal is indiscriminately bombing civilian/Palestinian population centers and diving people out of their homes.*

          What Isreal is doing absolutely falls under the category of genocide.

          Kill civilians is indefensible.

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            Isreal is indiscriminately bombing civilian/Palestinian population centers and diving people out of their homes.*

            A 48 hour WW2 era artillery barrages would flatten the Gaza Strip. Believing that Israel is “indiscriminately bombing” the strip requires you to believe that they’re the most incompetent military force to have ever walked the planet.

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              When I say “indiscriminate” I mean “disregard for civilian casualties” not “random bombings”.

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                They clearly have a regard for civilian casualties. That’s why they haven’t hit some mosques, schools and other buildings that are known to be seats of Hamas’ power.

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                  They clearly have a regard for civilian casualties.

                  People who bomb civilian areas do not care about civilians casualties.

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            Isreal is indiscriminately bombing civilian population centers and diving out people based on ethnicity.

            These two things are mutually exclusive

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              You’re "um ackshually"ing genocide. Reconsider your life.

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              They’ve been bombing civilian centers that they know are predominantly of Palestinian ethnicity.

              They’ve been evicting people from their homes based on ethnicity. The law gives Isrealis preferences in land disputes.

              And now they’re telling everyone in Gaza to abandon their homes.

              These are three different actions.

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          Would you prefer we call what Israel is doing ethnic cleansing instead?

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            That’s probably what they would like to do in their fantasies – make Gazans gtfo from that general area – but given their inefficiency of doing it, I don’t really know what’s going on. You don’t “ethnically cleanse” a rapidly growing population of 2 million by killing a few thousand here and there.

            Their birth rate is about 24/1000, so about 50000 new children are born there every year.