(No, just keep on. These kinds of regulations were long overdue)
EU has its many flaws but they pretty much doing their job in regards of consumer rights, human rights and protection of personal data.
If we could only fix that veto issue… And the parliament issue… Someday hopefully :')
Hungarian is against fixing the Veto Issue!
I veto that
Viktor is it you?
*Swears in hungarian
If Article 17 (Upload filters) didn’t make it through I cannot see chat control making it (even tho I think we shouldn’t even let it get so far)
The worst part about chat control is that they proposed it without having a single clue as to how this would be set up, let alone managed and controlled.
Them not being able to give clear answers to absolutley valid and fair questions just breaks more trust in their competence.
Anyway, next I’d like them to ban anything that can be considered factory new e-waste, like cheap usb fans that break after a month, or keychain speakers that don’t even sound good. There’s so many things in production that just don’t have any business existing.
Yeah, it was the same way with upload filters… Me and the boys were protesting, experts were saying it wouldn’t work yet the EU politicians kept being stubborn…
Yeah, I think they should ESPECIALLY ban these non refillable vape sticks… I mean, the batteries are practically unused yet it’s more or less useless after being emptied. And there’s always the refillable option. (No vapes would be best, get off that sh***)
Human rights? Lol I wish, frontex is just waiting to start shooting migrants at the borders
Unpopular opinion: most migrants come to Europe from safe countries. We should absolutely 100% allow people who flee from war zones to take refuge in Europe. But most migrants who currently cross the border illegally are coming from places like Turkey or Morocco. Is there a war tearing these countries apart that I do not know about? I agree, asylum is a human right, but it’s just that: a right. It’s not an obligation. People abuse that right and then complain they’re not handed stuff on a silver plate.
If Europe went to war right now, like in the good old days, I’d flee to safety as well. No doubt about that. But I’d be happy to take refuge in the nearest safe country, not try to get into Canada illegally, just because I heard it’s a nice place to live.
That’s not an unpopular opinion, that’s just a sheltered opinion. A few things you need to get out of your head:
- That so called ‘safe countries’ are safe for everyone. This doesn’t say anything about those countries, it only says how little you know about them.
- People seek asylum trivially and are choosy beggars for going to X country (doesn’t matter where, this kind of sentiment is always the same)
- Europe going to war was ‘the good old days’.
- That Europe isn’t at war right now
- The act of being born in a ‘safe country’ makes you more deserving of it than other human beings
Most people come from Turkey or Morocco? They might come from there but most of the asylum seekers nationality is not Turkish or Moroccan. Most asylum seekers are from Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq or poorer African nations. This changed year by year of course but that’s generally true. Also of course EU states have an obligation to respect human rights, it’s literally law in the European convention of human rights. A right implies an obligation by somebody else to honor that right. What does it matter if your home country is at war or not? If you can’t feed your family due to economic problems or climate change or whatever, it’s more than fair enough to get out of there.
Hope for same work direction in the future!
The battery thing is for the environment
The European Convention of Human Rights, the Council of Europe and its court looks after human rights, not the EU.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Convention_on_Human_Rights
You are right. My intention was to refer the whole of Europe as EU (which I know its incorrect) rather than go into specifics but regardless thanks for the clarification.
Question, do these bodies have teeth? And if so would these teeth exist without the EU?
My understanding of the EU is that the only thing they can really do to coerce uncooperative members is threaten to revoke membership.
So, if these bodies are not EU, and it wants to impose a sanction against a member nation, by what mechanism can it enforce that?
Just wondering.
Yes, the ECHR does have teeth. The UK is still subject to its rulings despite brexit
UK is still a member of The Council of Europe, which is different to the European Council…
What is the ECHR? It is an international court, set up in 1959, to rule on individual or state applications alleging violations of the civil and political rights set out in the European convention on human rights. Its judgments are binding on the 46 Council of Europe member states that have ratified the convention.
The EU cannot threaten revoking membership of the EU, there is no mechanism to expel a member state. There is only article 50 for the state leaving of its own accord, or suspension of rights
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_7_of_the_Treaty_on_European_Union
DO MANDATORY 3.5mm JACK NOW
THE PERSON THAT DOWNVOTED THIS DESERVES THEIR AIRPODS TO RUN OUT OF BATTERY DURING A 12 HOUR FLIGHT SITTING NEXT TO A CHILD AND THEIR CHATTY NO-VAX-MAKING-MY-OWN-BREAD-LOOK-AT-THE-PICTURES-OF-MY-C-SECTION-DELIVERY MOTHER
That’s why you carry two sets of Airpods on a 12 hour flight. /s
I’m with you. I still use my 3.5mm jack daily. I’ve got some cheap PC stereo speakers next to my bed, so I can listen to stuff to fall asleep to. They suck for music, but are just fine for audiobooks for instance.
I gotta say, I love my AirBuds sooooo much. I only use my nice cans on my computer anymore.
That’s a different use case though. Falling asleep with cheap speakers is a much better idea than big speakers… My partner and I leave shows or long VODs on to sleep, and even with the bass all the way down, sometimes I feel like it’s a bit distracting.
You’re onto something—I should snag us a pair of 2.0 speakers and just switch to those for sleep. Then we wouldn’t have to adjust the sub all the time.
I wish I had a 3.5mm jack :( wired is better quality at the end of the day.
My phone came with a USB-3.5mm adapter but I never end up using it.
I’d be fine with the lack of the port if they at least gave us 2 USB-C ports so I could charge and listen without a splitter.
I’m surprised their isn’t a phone case with a built in DAC and 3.5 tbh.
Why would you not use a usb-c headset?
Because 3.5mm is an already existent audio standard that is not only for cell phones but for sound instruments in general, because all my earphones and earbuds are 3.5mm and because I’d like to listen to music while the phone is plugged in and charging
Playing devil’s advocate here, but there’s spillters for that.
“Just use a dongle lol”
Already answered here
All of them suck.
Quite a high chance that your phone will also run out of battery on a 12 hour flight.
Edit: To clarify, I meant that it’s annoying to not be able to charge while using your headphones.
Joke’s on you, I’ll be able to change my phone battery
So will I though, I live in Finland.
3.5 works everywhere else and I prefer my headphones to work with my audio gear. The inflight entertainment on Delta uses 3.5 for example.
This is a very funny joke that several people didn’t get.
Need more of this energy in my life
When you land in your 30’s the warm feeling that makes you crave for a better world becomes a seething anger towards those who make this world harder to realize.
And you either take it out on strangers on the internet or become Ted KaczynskiBased. Also your writing style is great. Reminds me of those old “THIS IS A MOTHER FUCKING WASP” memes
Ahah thanks, but I am not based.
I’m just sour and acid, pH3 as in my name
Jeeez
It takes 5 minutes at most to get another hour of playback from my headset. You do not need a headphone jack in this day an age, and I say this as an avid music listener. Also ANC won’t work if your battery is dead most of the time, so having a wired option is not that useful for your flight
IT TAKES 0 SECONDS TO HAVE ∞ HOURS OF PLAYBACK FOR MY HEADSET.
Talking seriously, I really hate that everything in this day and age has to come with a battery: it’s a useless waste of resources.
When you buy a good set of cabled earphones it will be good for life (I used my AudioTechnica M50 for more than 10 years and only had to change the cable once), wireless you’ll have to throw them away when the batteries will eventually die (in 3 years on average).
E-waste is a serious issue, if you want to go green, go cable <3Okay so I go running quite often, no phone on me, just my watch (which is on my wrist) and my AirPods.
How does your setup work in my regard? Because I genuinely don’t see a way to go cabled for it without changing how I do things, and having a cable running to my watch is just stupid.
(I do use wired headphones whenever I’m at home because we all know it’s better at a fundamental level) but let’s be honest AirPods have their place.
Dude…
- Never said that bluetooth buds/earphones should be dismantled, please abandon this “if you have an argument for your thing it means you’re against my thing” mindset, it makes you sound dumb and you are not;
- Back in the 90’s joggers would run with huge-ass cassette walkmans powered by 4x AA batteries strapped on their shorts and hardly anyone popped an hernia or got strangled by the earphones: while we had great achievements in terms of electronics wearability, don’t let comfort be your cage.
Yeah I realize my comment came off as argumentative and isn’t really how I meant it, I more so meant I can’t see a way for me to use a wired set without changing how comfortable my run currently is. (Again, I do PREFER wired for home use etc, but on the go I just can’t use anything but my AirPods for comfort). I think it’s also an ease of use thing for me too, as I LOVE that I can go for that run, come home, take a shower WITH THEM, to rinse off, then sit down with my steam deck and they are already connected without me doing a thing. I think I’m just spoiled by the ease of use the more I type about this honestly.
If you find yourself having a good run with them, have at it, don’t let anyone yuck your yum.
I just want to be given the possibility of making the choice I think it’s best for my use cases
I don’t think anyone’s claiming that wireless headphones do not have their place, instead that there’s no reason not to have the option to use wired headphones on a phone because they’re much more reliable and durable than wireless.
I’d get a DAP in that case. But yeah that’s the only annoying thing about wired.
Because air pod is not my only headset
But you can have a DAC to plug them in then, which probably will sound better than your phone’s
Nobody is implying that Bluetooth headphones are inherently bad, but just that the additional choice offered by a wired headphone option would be very useful.
Yes. Also I need a SCSI connector. Do that obsolete piece of shit as well.
FULL FLEDGED 40-GPIO-PIN LIKE A RASPBERRY PI
Fuck that. Do 16-lane PCIe gen 5 instead
OPEN MOTHERBOARD SO I CAN SOLDER RANDOM SHIT
Also a legacy 25 pin serial port, you never know when it’d come in handy
You mean parralel port right? I need to be able to drive 8 LEDs without any additional drivers.
I mean we can have both serial and parallel interfaces. Also two ps/2 ports because I want to be able to plug both a mouse and a keyboard.
And a dedicated true ADC game port. This shit was lit.
I’d love a Parallel port—I still have my ZIP drive!
+a beefed up amplifier otherwise little point.
The number of times and situation I’ve wished I had wired earbuds. And this is someone who generally uses wireless headphones. The fact that they removed it in the first place is bs
User expandable/replaceable storage, please.
There’s no reason whatsoever that a 2TB iPad should cost £1250 more than a 128GB one. I put an extra 2TB in my PS5 the other week for under £100.
Honestly one of my favorite things about my ps5. I can appreciate the small repair moves, but I’d still appreciate „Other OS” being brought back.
OtherOS is never coming back, it gives too much freedom to probe at the hardware and find security exploits.
Sony also didn’t like it that companies bought PS3s in bulk and used them as cheap compute power. They sell the consoles at a loss but make that up on game sales and licensing. Someone buying them and not gaming is cutting into their profit.
No. Sony didn’t like otherOS because geohot used it in his first exploit. That is all Not a coincidence that they removed it shortly after geos findings ;)
That’s the reason back in 2013 or so I switched to PS3 for my main gaming. MS wanted a shitload for a tiny ass 360 hard drive, but with Sony it came with a 250GB drive out the gate and I replaced it with a 1TB for less than the 250 from Microsoft
Of course, I switched to PC because Sony got greedy again with no mp3s on the system, trying to make me re-buy games I already had, and charging for online
They officially supported that aswell, then they quietly stopped the way Kia left the furry community
Whatcha mean about Kia and the furry community? A quick search has failed me.
Their mascot used to be hamsters.
What was with 90s and early 2000s marketing having a thing for hamsters? I remember Quiznos had a hamster commercial too, and I think Scion (Toyota?) did too. Why hamsters?
This was the mid 2010s
I have a 512gb micro SD card in my phone… you just need to avoid the premium phones then you have options
Fairphone still puts SD-Card slots in their phones, i doubled my storage for 40€
With phones and tablets I can understand, honestly. Soldered-in insanely fast storage space is quite expensive. Only recently a 2TB NVMe drive (much slower than what’s in an iPad) came down to reasonable prices. 1k+ is still a hella overcharge, but for the type memory it is, I can understand it being more than a standard NVMe.
Expanded storage slots would be great, too… but slow as shit I’d it’s SD. Are iPads waterproof? If not, then that’s not an issue, but if they are, I could see that being a problem as well.
Expandable storage does not compromise waterresistance. If a phone with a Sim card slot can be IP68 rated, then a phone with a combo sim/SD card slot can as well.
Nice, noted! Then that’s not an issue. My only issue then would be the speed of the storage. Not a big issue on my iPad as I don’t use it for much, but running stuff and even going through pictures on my phone would be a nightmare (…which is my fault for having 15k pictures on it and not clearing it out i. Years…)
If you have problems with going through pictures, it’s not the storage speed problem, that’s for sure. Even the slowest sd card is fast enough to load a picture in human speeds
Also, why can professional cameras have expendable storage? Recording videos and burst mode for example needs fast storage.
I can’t find any evidence that the inbuilt iPad Pro SSD is faster than modern NVMe SSDs. It’s somewhere between 1 and 3 GB/s depending on the model. The Crucial P5 I got ran quite happily in the PS5 at about 5GB/s.
It’s all very much a muchness for the kind of loads that iPads will typically be handling anyway. I doubt there’s anything that can process data fast enough to make the SSD the bottleneck.
I’m not knowledgeable enough to explain, but it something about the bus between the CPU and the SSD that makes it so ridiculous.
Super good point on the “iPad isn’t gonna be doing much/anything that NEEDS that speed” though. Most people aren’t editing 4k video or whatever on it.
Huh?brother nvme are faster…
I’m still bitter that Samsung delayed the release of their PCIe 4.0 SSDs because Sony was buying up all their NAND stock, only for them to be sold to scalpers.
At least the EU protects consumers’ rights, which is a breath of fresh air and it is something to be appreciated. Not going to lie.
Especially in contrast to the US who completely stopped pretending to support consumers.
Let’s hope it stays that way, now that Fiona Scott Morton was appointed “Chief Economist of EU’s Directorate-General for Competition”.
Are they objectively doing this to help consumers though, or is there another reason and it just so happens to benefit consumers.
They are doing it to help consumers and protect the environment by forcing modularity and recyclable components.
Sure buddy. EU politicians are just absolute saints compared to the rest of the world, and there’s nothing in it for them. Jesus.
If I could replace my government with the EU, I would not hesitate.
Don’t be salty because we’ve got a working democracy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sure, it isn’t perfect, but it’s not all about the money here. Being a politician on that level already pays quite nicely without being bought by a company or two. And voters have a lot of power over who gets into the EU parliament, so a lot of them really do represent the common folks.
Reminder: Steve Jobs was a non-engineer, non-designer Marketing guy who was famously against charity and refused to pay child support despite being mega rich.
He didn’t create the I-anything. He took what talented people did and made himself the face of it. He was a bad dude, a model capitalist, and the world is better for his preventable, self-inflicted early demise. Thanks for being into alternative “medicine” at least, Steve.
Elon Musk is a wannabe Steve Jobs, it all makes sense.
He went to Switzerland to try the proton therapy to cure cancer. When you know how expensive it’s, he could help a lot of people.
He went to Switzerland to try the proton therapy to cure cancer. When you know how expensive it’s, he could help a lot of people.
You sound like if Steve Jobs fucked your mom and never called her back X’D
If I slap you there’s a non-zero chance Steve Job’s cock falls out of your mouth.
I’m actually not an admirer of mr. Jobs either, should have clarified that.
I just found amusing such amount of anger, like something personal is involvedNo, I just don’t like when the do nothing capitalists, living or dead, take credit for the work and technical achievements of people that actually provide something of worth to humanity. People should think of rooms of engineers toiling and exhausted factory workers when they think about how their iphone was made, not Donald Trump in a turtleneck and jeans blustering about the magic phone he made.
I mean, it’s pretty damn low though.
I’d love if they added a minimum security-update time for the OS. 5 years of OS upgrades should be the norm, and at least 7 more years of life-support, where security updates are provided.
It is ridiculous how fast phones become unsupported and unsafe. The systems are so specialised that open source OS can not support them all. It’s all proprietary technology, dependant on proprietary code.
Once the last security update is shipped, the phone very quickly becomes a serious security vulnerability. Modern messaging formats such as emails and whatsapp become potential vectors of an attack. Visiting a Website might be enough to compromise ones phone. Even if every application you depend on didn’t already drop support, the phone is basically e-waste because of the OS.
On this front, Apple has actually been decent. They support their old hardware much longer than many android brands. However I still think anything below 10 years is absolutely ridiculous as it renders the whole device unusable.
I wonder if in future we will have the same issue with cars and other items now dependant on internal computers.
Do agree on this. A law about supporting, at the very least, just security updates for your product in a 7 or 8 year life span is a must IMO as well. 10 would be ideal, but even an 8 year life span is not bad.
I wonder if in future we will have the same issue with cars and other items now dependant on internal computers.
Probably, since most of them are smart now.
It’s funny how Apple does offer decent support from a phone perspective, but their computers get dated fast.
I just recently built a new PC after having my previous one for ten years. I didn’t strictly need to but I wanted to upgrade, my old PC is still fine.
Apple doesn’t offer that kind of support for their computers.
I don’t think you’re making a fair comparison there really. You should be comparing Apple to someone like Dell, HP, Asus, etc.
What you’re really comparing Apple’s support to is your own, because you’re the one building and maintaining that PC’s hardware. Plus take a look at your 10 year old PC, does every component of it - motherboard, GPU, etc. still get security updates? Motherboards are one of the worst offenders in this area for just arbitrarily dropping support.
The fact that the PC ecosystem is so open is why it can last so long, but I don’t think it’s as imbalanced as you’re suggesting.
Disclosure: I don’t own any apple products
Even Desktop CPUs stop getting security updates. Intel 7th gen is on the chopping block soon.
Absolutely and I think something a lot of people don’t realise is that something can absolutely work fine and still be unsupported. I dare say if we took at look at an average home-built PC, the vast majority would have some component to it that was out of support in some fashion.
Intel mac’s bought a couple years ago soon won’t be able to upgrade to the latest MacOS version, this same thing happened when they switched from PPC to Intel. On the other hand you can install Windows 10 on a pentium 2 and hell, of you could figure out a way to get tpm 2 to work you might be able to get 11 going. Some Linux distros with modern kernels only recently dropped support for PPC. Point being Apple ended support intentionally as they just don’t give a shit about their customers, their only interest is in money.
You’re talking about an entire architecture change, though. If you’re going to compare like-for-like, try installing Windows 11 on an ARMv7 machine, never mind that Microsoft frequently drops support for older processors anyway.
Yes, I have installed Windows 10 and 11 on ARM v7. Infact Windows CE was running on arm processors for a good long time with continued support. Windows hasn’t dropped support for any processors at all to my knowledge. Windows 11 required TPM2 but that’s not a processor. Your motherboard is the determining factor there, you can actually buy a TPM module for pretty dang cheap. Considering most PC manufacturers have had TPM on their systems used for a while it’s not a large factor. Those most impacted were people who did custom built systems and bought cheap motherboards. I actually mentioned this is my original comment but… Here we are I guess.
That’s fair, but also not really the point I was trying to make.
Excepting of Windows 11 (which even then you could just do registry edits), Windows will install on older computers. Linux sits in the same boat. Apple on the other hand has a tight lock on their software, and drivers, and arbitrarily decide “this hardware is too out of date” even though if you fuss around with it, you can get a newer version of MacOS running just fine.
This is less applicable now what with Apple’s transition to ARM, but it’s something I worry about down the line. How fast will your OS be out of date on the first generation M1s? In a year or two?
I still think you’re making unfair comparisons here. It’s more effort to get MacOS installed on unsupported hardware than Windows, but just because it installs doesn’t mean it’s supported. Just because a few registry hacks can get Windows 11 on an old machine doesn’t mean a future windows update won’t suddenly break it (I mean they break even supported configurations from time to time). I get what you’re saying, Apple do sure go out of their way to prevent it, but even if Windows let you install it, an unsupported configuration is still by definition out of support and it can just stop working at any time without much recourse.
laughs in early 2011 15” MacBook pro
While you’re right, I can’t go past High Sierra… after popping in a SSD and 16GB RAM, that motherfucker still tears it up. It helps that it has a dedicated GPU, I suppose.
Same experience as you with PC though—my partner’s 4670k/1070 were doing just fine until they tried to play Persona 5. That CPU just couldn’t handle the train station; all those people dropped it to under 10FPS. Ten year old machine though, played Elden Ring at about 40FPS at 1440p! (The 1070 was the most recent part in their machine.)
12600k/3070 now, and it handles EVERYTHING. I’m jelly. I’ve got a 9900k and it’s beautiful, but I get TotK stutters and they don’t.
I had a 4670k in mine, alongside a 970. It did most of the things I wanted well enough on medium-high, so I was mostly content. For a while I contemplated getting a newer CPU and slotting that in to squeeze some more time out of it, but after realising that Intel only supports their sockets for like a fortnight or so, I swapped to AMD for the new build.
What’s in your new build? I bet it blew your mind when you played anything you were used to!
I love both AMD and Intel, but the CPU socket being only for one generation is a full non-issue. If I’m going to upgrade my CPU, I’m going to upgrade my everything. I’ve legitimately never had the urge to only replace my CPU hahaha
I hate changing tech so I really just wanted to pop the CPU out and plonk in a stronger one. I figured it’d be a cheaper job than just building a completely new system, which to be fair it is.
My new computer is running on a Ryzen 9 7900X3D, alongside an Intel Arc A770 LE. The last-gen graphics cards cost way too much where I live, and the current gen I don’t really want to touch with their crazy power consumption and proclivity for spontaneous combustion, coupled with their ridiculous prices. Figured I’d give Intel a go, and I’m actually really satisfied with it!
My biggest “wow” moment was honestly opening up a project in Synthesizer V and seeing it all render instantaneously, whereas before I’d need to wait for some 10-15 seconds for it to build a buffer for a small part of the song. Doesn’t even matter how many tracks I have, it’s so speedy!
That’s a FANTASTIC machine!
The big problem with popping a new CPU in is how slow all the other stuff on your mobo is. Your old mobo maybe has one m.2 port? Might even be SATA m.2? We never used it on the 4670k machine. Also RAM speeds, if you could pop a 13900k in there, it’d be right crippled by DDR3. Always new mobo with new CPU for me. Also because I upgrade my CPU every 7-9 years, and stuff changes insanely. My partner’s mobo has FOUR GOSH DANG m.2 SLOTS. FOUR! We almost went SATA-less but had an unopened 4TB HDD so we popped that in there.
No m.2. I was overall okay with the speed, it just wasn’t completely keeping up. The way I see it, if I could’ve plopped out the CPU and swapped for something a few years newer, like 2017 or so, I’d probably have been much less inclined to build a new computer altogether.
I don’t like switching tech much. It’s such a hassle. I kept my OnePlus One around until 2020, at which point I replaced it with a second-hand iPhone XS because Apple supports their phones forever by phone standards. I work as a software dev, so I already spend 8 hours of my day mucking about with tech, it’s not something I’m overly keen on doing in my off hours.
Thus far I’m really enjoying m.2, it’s a lot smoother than running cables and stuff for a SATA drive. I have a few SATA ports I believe but I still have a m.2 slot open, so we’ll see! I think I’m more keen on getting a NAS for storage at this point.
You can go to Catalina through the dosdude patcher if you (or some enterprising shop) disables the amd gpu with demux.
…fuck, really?
I will ABSOLUTELY look into this. I love my lil lappy. In High Sierra, system preferences recognizes my GPU as Intel HD anyway, so maybe my GPU is already unsupported. It did me well back when I got it, though—I needed a mobile Team Fortress 2 machine and it ran like a champ!
Yeah it’s a little on the hands on side but you can either pay for the license and do it yourself or pay them to do the whole thing
Interesting!
I’ve heard of issues with the GPU, and I’m fortunate to have never had an issue with mine. Well, I suppose it isn’t recognized now, so maybe that’s an issue? Or just a setting I should change. All I use it for anymore is sorting my million photos and when I need to video chat hahaha
In my experience when it starts to mess up you get white screens or artifacts on boot. Apple had a replacement program on these so if you’re the second owner you might have gotten one that doesn’t overheat.
Apple isn’t losing here. Eu is forcing them to make better phones.
These changes go against Apple’s business model and practices. Forcing USB C will mean they will probably try to add some bullshit software check to their plug in devices so 3rd party hardware makers will once again be shut out. These practices allow Apple to tell their current consumers “don’t buy 3rd party stuff. It isn’t made well and won’t work on our incredible phones”. Will that get struck down in the EU again? Probably. Will they make a few billion dollars before it does? Absolutely.
Apple has purposefully avoided moving towards industry standards so they can keep everything in their control. For better or worse, it’s actually one if the biggest strengths of Apple products. I know if I buy an iPhone, it’s going to work great (until the battery goes), and any of their add on parts are also going to work great because they don’t have to design drivers for the 400 different options out there. But that same practice inherently leads to these sort of anti-consumer decisions. Where a decision goes from keeping-in-their-wheelhouse to have-them-by-the-balls.
I will never forgive them for killing the headphone jack—but I at least understand the business model behind it. Samsung’s decision to follow suit likewise makes sense.
As for the other manufacturers who jumped on the bandwagon for no reason other than that they saw the big kids do it—handicapping their devices with what is to many a dealbreaker issue, without offering their own line of wireless earbuds / headphones to capitalize off of—I can feel only pity and disdain.
so true, I won’t switch phone anytime soon, as my S10 still has the headphone jack and I dont want to buy new headphones for 70€+ just because their batteries are dying. (Also it is still running great)
I will never understand 1/8” jack wanters. Why not just get a dongle? If you want to listen and charge at the same time get one with passthrough. If you’re using a $500 pair of headphones use a good dac.
As the owner of probably a dozen pairs of nice corded headphones, what’s the big deal?
A dongle is one more thing to buy/break/get lost.
I’m actually with you there. I switched to bt headphones in part to get rid of my coiled up corded headphone pocket. You can’t carry anything else with em or else it’s a fiasco getting it out (and in the process tears up your cord).
Yeah why would I want the clearly superior option instead of bandaid solutions…
What’s superior about not using a dongle?
Back when that was how I went around, the break point in the cable saved me a few times.
How would it not be? -I don’t need a dongle that I can lose. (You might never use your earphones with another device, but I do, so the dongle will need to get unplugged from the earphones at some point) -I can use earphones at the same time as charging. -A dongle is one more thing that can break. -I’m not stressing a port with something that it really wasn’t meant for
Also, when I have a headphone jack, I still have the option to use a dongle or bluetooth, so nothing is lost by having the port
I always just put it in my pocket. They make passthrough charging dongles, never had an issue with one.
How do you plug something not designed for your port into it though?
Apple didn’t get big by producing quality hardware.
That’s arguable but the biggest selling point for apple is the plug and play environment and ease of use.
Definitely fuck apple but the got some of it right.
Um, what? Apple makes shitty design decisions to manipulate their consumer base. These regulations prevent them from doing that. These regulations mean the consumers win. Apple still has branded braindead consumers, but at least they went be able to scam them on batteries headphones and chargers as easily.
Exactly the eu regulations force Apple to make better phones.
Look, I’m happy about the EU regulating these things and think it’s great for the overall ecosystem. But can we please stop with the “Apple users are braindead” circlejerk? It’s so fucking cringe, and it unironically reminds me of the unebearable zeal that Apple cultists used to (and probably still do but I see it less) impose on anyone who made the mistake of getting to close to them.
I’ve had many Android phones over the years, and one iPhone 8. While I am considering moving to a de-Googled Android for privacy reasons, I have to say, my iPhone has held up better than any of my Android phones (Galaxy S3, S4, LG G3) did, without needing to replace the battery. Just because you can’t understand why someone might want one doesn’t mean everyone who gets an iPhone is an idiot.
I would much rather have left this kind of tech chest-beating over at reddit.
Those who are still on the ‘apple bad’ train like to forget they are running an OS built by an ads company.
Every phone manufacturer has some bad shit, I choose to stick with apple cuz I already have a big library of paid stuff.
Firstly running Android != running Google on it.
Secondly you prove exactly the point. They try to make you dependent on their proprietary technology, forcing you to use their app store, apps, chargers, repair shops, desktop OS, TVs etc. (you can circumvent each of these point, but it requires always some amount of technical time investment).
I’ve been flashing custom firmware on my phone since before Android was a thing, I’ll have you know my OS is built by dodgy Russian hackers installed on a dodgy Chinese phone, thank you very much.
Excuse you, I use CalyxOS on my phone. I also use Linux on my PC. Am I allowed back on the “apple bad” train? Tbh, I don’t think Apple products are bad. I just hate the company, just like many MANY others.
Apple products are fine, generally well built and easy to use, especially if you value multiple interconnected devices.
The major con is all the horrible tactics Apple uses to protect it’s walled garden. Without that, they can’t extort users into staying because we know their devices and price are not the reason.
Apple products come with a large fine at the point of purchase
FTFY.
At least they with android can change and look at everything since its open source. Root and toot. Ios will fall due to its lock ins just like Microsoft once did. Same same but different.
Hi, I’m sorry that this makes you feel uncomfortable. It wasn’t my aim to make people feel that way. Even if I was making fun of Apple devices and users it doesn’t reflect the whole spectrum of my feelings. I do think that Apple has made some technological milestones and that their products are a strong alternative comparing them to the other ones (Windows Phone *cough cough)
Even if Apple isn’t my favourite brand I still believe that competition drives progress which is why I’m actually glad Apple is such a big competition and vice versa. And it is because of users like you.
I don’t really want to denounce Apple users for their phone choice. As I see it we’ve all chosen our phone by our past influences and experiences, and those naturally differ so there’s no objective right and wrong here. Ultimately, you choose what suits you best!
And to be really fair, the only phones I’ve seen so far that would tick off all the boxes are old Android phones and the Fairphones.
Ah nah, it’s OK I wasn’t talking to you specifically. The meme is fine by itself – it just attracts certain types that do like to say the kind of things I was referring to. Perhaps I should have replied to one of the other comments I saw that said this instead.
holy crap two people are having a civil discussion wtf
i lovve lemmy
Anyways, don’t let it get to you. It’s your decision anyways. In that regard, have a nice day :D
Yeah but I want to see change, I don’t want such a stupid greedy company win a single customer. Customers are mostly not knowing anything what they are doing and just do such a stupid decision because Apple markets Iphones with 99% satisfaction of user reports which is 100% fake and just marketing… like privacy, its just marketing. There is no privacy.
I don’t really mind the non-replacable batteries tbh. Water resistance is much harder when you need to design your phone with a removable battery.
I do want the SD card slots back though. I don’t care about having two Sim cards, I want my enormous local storage that I can transfer in 8-10 seconds back
If privacy is your concern the better option could be e.g. some google free android variant. There are several other OSes that are specialised in this regard and I think it’s not a pro argument for apple.
Fuck Apple
No we can’t.
Replaceable batteries are so early millenia.
“We CaNnOt mAkE tHeM wAtErProOf.”
Galaxy S5 starts laughing
Not just the Galaxy S5, go open GSMArena’s phone finder and filter the results by form factor to “bar”, IP certificate to IPx7 and IPx8, and finally the battery to removable, 97 phones if you gonna include non-Android phones
And also one little thing, can you all please stop using the wrong word, it is water resistance not waterproof
Waterproof devices are excluded from having to have replaceable batteries. Just FYI
Also, newer android phones don’t have replaceable batteries either. So why always bitch about just Apple?
Only devices which are made for “underwater use as their main purpose”. Smartphones do not qualify.
Ahh, yes, true, under a new, upcoming regulation. Should read more news. ;-) thanks for painting that out!
Wow, a sincere, thankful reply. This place is indeed a lot better than reddit, isn’t it? I’ll have to get used to this type of internet
Me too, I was like “huh, someone actually thanked me and wanted to have a meaninful conversation 🤨”. I was baffled as well, but pleasantly surprised.
I could pm you death threats if you like?
So why always bitch about just Apple?
For years, Apple have been locking down parts to their phones. In this case with batteries, you get a message saying that your battery needs to be serviced, even if you are using a genuine Apple battery from another phone.
Batteries, cameras, screens and sensors are locked down on newer iPhones. Replacing them will remove some of the phones functionality.
I’m not sure if I’ve missed other manufacturers doing this with batteries, the only other one I remember was OnePlus encrypting the battery in their new OnePlus pad. It’s unfortunate that some manufacturers see what Apple have been doing, then followed in their footsteps with pairing screens - on some phones you can’t use the fingerprint scanner if you have swapped the screen, it’s ridiculous.
The phone I use from oppo won’t complain if I were to replace parts in it. Though given that oppo and oneplus are owned by the same company, I wouldn’t be surprised if that changes soon.
If you use genuine parts and tools, you can replace those parts yourself without issues (Apple Repair Kit).
Having worked at an Apple Store I might be biased but can also give you another perspective:
Often, people would enter the store…
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complaining that their phone didn’t work although they just had it fixed. Most of the time, they went to some cheapo repair store where they got an even cheaper parts installed which caused the problem. Locking parts to your phone and only allowing replacement in an authorized store / through Apples own repair programs does prevent that.
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having issues accessing their phones after something happened. They only then realize that most of their lives is on that phone and that it would be advisable to keep it secure and to keep (encrypted) backups of their photos and other files. Making the replacement of TouchID sensors harder (again, only authorized repair shops, authentic parts) helps improve their security. You can pay with a phone, you have all your contact’s infos on there, all your personal and maybe professional pictures and mails, …
People expect quality from Apple and don’t understand what could happen when they don’t use genuine parts. The fingerprint sensor could be faulty / easier to trick / manipulated. What then? Whom would they blame? At first Apple. And then the go angry to the next Apple Store where the reps have to explain everything to them…
The problem is that the user base is more varied and much bigger then, let’s say, Oppo‘s. When you compare iPhone sales to the numbers of an other single smartph
why Apple might choose this way. They sell many more phones and have to give support to many more phones than any other competitor. And they actually do give support. Also, their user base expects higher quality and better safeguards for their data from Apple then from other manufacturers.
Sorry for keeping it short and not addressing every one of your points. It would take me too long and I have things to do.
But it boils down to the following: Apple-„dislikers“ mostly think the worst of every decision Apple makes. Think the company is only out for the money. In reality, that’s only partially true. Apple thinks a lot about the costumer. For example, I was never asked to upsell a costumer but give them advice based on their needs. If this was, in the end, to go to the next electronics store and buy an android phone that was fine as well. As long as the costumer feels that Apple has their best interest at heart this was fine.
Apple does think about the costumer, but making money (in the long term) is always an afterthought. So these restrictions you mentioned do benefit most of Apples consumers, as they don’t want to check if the replacement parts are safe to use from a security and / or safety standpoint. They expect them to work. Period.
And that’s the last thing I’m going to mention: Apple devices work longer than most android devices. That’s build quality for one (yes, iPhones also have their problems. If you look at those problems compared to the amount of phones sold you’ll see that those problems are small compared to the competition). Apple has also been providing 4-5 years of Softwareupdates (to the latest OS and also security updates to older OSes if you stayed on them). Android manufacturers had to be forced by (EU) law to provide 3 years. And still not even to the latest OS version.
As the EU is mainly looking to improve the ecological footprint, they and most critics don’t really consider that Apple has been actively working on recycling their products for many years now. Apple really does want to make an ecological impact. The build quality and software support make their devices great hand-me-downs. Their recycling and efforts do the rest.
Please be advices that we talk about phones right now. Repairability and software support of macs is a completely different case. And as I said before, of course making money is important for Apple and often a nice side effect. I would argue, though, that it’s not always the main driving force behind Hardware / repairability decisions (and I also rejoice that my next iPhone will have USB-C ;-)).
If you use genuine parts and tools, you can replace those parts yourself without issues (Apple Repair Kit).
There are a few problems with Apple’s third party repair kits though; you still have to go through to Apple’s support to get the parts paired/calibrated to the phone. If you look at Google’s pixel repair program, the screen is paired to the phone, but they provide the software to calibrate the fingerprint reader - no need to go through a text chat for possibly hours just to pair the parts back to the phone.
The good thing about the program is that some small parts can be cheaper than getting them from a third party, but on the flip side, parts like screens and batteries are expensive. It would be cheaper to get Apple to repair the device than to do it yourself through the program. It just feels off to me.
Documentation is very good and detailed at least!
Having worked at an Apple Store I might be biased
To be fair I’m quite biased as well, having had bad experiences with multiple apple products :p
- complaining that their phone didn’t work although they just had it fixed.
I completely understand first hand why this is could be a problem. My brother’s iPhone 6 had a dying battery and a cracked screen, there was a new repair shop that had opened up which was cheaper than the repair shop we normally go to. They replaced both the screen and the battery, great! Not even a year later and the battery had severely degraded and the screen just stopped responding to touch.
He got a new phone and I decided to try repairing it myself. Turns out this new repair shop was incredibly incompetent at repairing the phone - double sided tape to hold the battery down, missing screws, the rubber ring around the home button was missing, and the screen bracket was bent so it didn’t clip in on one side of the phone. Fixed it up - mostly - the screen still doesn’t clip in as I used the same bracket from before.
Though it never happened at any of the other repair shops, just the cheapest one. is it really a good idea to lock out all repair because the minority of shops are going to mess it up?
Locking parts to your phone and only allowing replacement in an authorized store / through Apples own repair programs does prevent that.
Problems arise for me because:
- There isn’t a nearby Apple store, I am not driving to the other side of the country just to get a screen replacement
- There is an authorised repair store in a nearby city, but they usually cost more than going straight to apple. As far as I am aware, they are only allowed to swap in apple’s parts rather than repairing what’s broken (e.g. cracked glass on the screen where everything else still works fine)
- Usually the repair stores take a few hours at most, where as mailing my phone to Apple can take weeks before I can get it back.
- Apple’s repair program costs more than going straight to apple, there’s also a chance that a user can mess it up, is it apples responsibility to fix a botched repair?
I can buy refurbished screens online, more expensive than what I’d find on AliExpress but everything on the screen is still up to Apple’s quality - I can’t swap it in though without losing auto-brightness and true tone. Batteries from reputable manufacturers are also up to apple’s standards, but I can’t swap it in without losing the battery health indicator. Even with genuine, or high quality parts, I cannot replace them without losing some sort of functionality.
Making the replacement of TouchID sensors harder (again, only authorized repair shops, authentic parts) helps improve their security.
As far as I am aware, Apple doesn’t offer touch ID sensors through their repair program (although it’s hard to confirm that without an iPhone serial number). I guess I could somewhat understand that, but you used to be able to replace the touch ID sensor with a normal home button. You would still have access to your data, for payments, you could use contactless on the card as that existed far before apple pay. That was until the iPhone 7 came around and added that touch capacitive home button, once that dies, you have to go to Apple to get it replaced. It’s apple’s design that prevents people from accessing their data, not third party repair.
Besides, the FTC found very little evidence to justify manufacturers reasonings for restricting repair: https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/reports/nixing-fix-ftc-report-congress-repair-restrictions/nixing_the_fix_report_final_5521_630pm-508_002.pdf
What then? Whom would they blame? At first Apple. And then the go angry to the next Apple Store where the reps have to explain everything to them…
That’s just the way people act unfortunately, there was a video by Louis Rossmann where he said people wouldn’t be angry with him if he told them that their machine couldn’t be fixed within a couple days of recieving it. If he had waited about two weeks, then told them about the issue, the damage was his fault and that the machine is broken because of him. It’s unfair but it’s the reality we are in unfortunately.
Also, their user base expects higher quality and better safeguards for their data from Apple then from other manufacturers.
I don’t expect much for Apple in terms of safeguarding data given that I was able to unlock my mum’s phone with face ID. my face wasn’t registered, I got in fairly easily without knowing her password. This was fixed by redoing the face ID recognition thing. I don’t think it’s a secure way to lock a phone.
Of course other manufacturers have messed it up too, but I never really thought face ID was a good idea anyways.
Giving your device to apple, or an authorised repair store, also doesn’t guarantee that your data will remain private, as seen by this contracted repair. Yes, small chance that it could happen, but giving a device to apple doesn’t guarantee your data’s safety.
Apple devices work longer than most android devices.
I wouldn’t really say work longer, I still have a Samsung galaxy S2 somewhere that still turns on and functions. Though Apple devices are definitely supported for a longer period of time compared to the competition. Build quality I would probably question, though my last iPhone was an iPhone 6 - a slightly bent iPhone 6. Glass backs on the newer phones are even more questionable to me, after seeing many people who have cracked the backs of their phones - you could cut your hand if you weren’t using a case.
Android phones on OS’ as old as Android 6 can still use most of the apps on the play store. While the device is more vulnerable to attacks, it’s still usable if necessary. Although that doesn’t really excuse manufacturers dropping support after a few years. You can flash modern android versions like 13 to an old S2 for example, it’s not going to run well but it’s possible!
Repairability and software support of macs is a completely different case.
I had a Mac kill itself after 4 years of use, the authorised repair shop in the other city took two weeks to get it repaired and I wasn’t allowed to keep my data. It was an expensive repair too. I was lucky that everything important was backed up on a usb drive I had.
I would be happy to buy another Apple product if they stopped this nonsense of blocking third party repair, unfortunately, that doesn’t seem to be happening any time soon.
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Go watch Louis Rossman, he shoots down almost all of your Apple propaganda, eh ment arguments.
Oh please, Apple doesn’t give a shit about their customers nor does any other major corporation for that matter. Only money matters.
I’ll suck Apple’s dick for one thing—they’re the last big (…biggest) company that actually cares about privacy. Siri might suck compared to any other AI assistant, but she’s not telling Apple that you’re doing a fat rail off your iPhone.
they’re the last big (…biggest) company that actually cares about privacy
That’s unfortunately not true, yes you can block tracking from third party apps, but you can’t stop Apple from collecting your data themselves
Again, they dont care about privacy in any other way than the want your data for themselves. Are you really that naive?
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I already said this in another comment but Samsung STILL makes them! https://www.samsung.com/us/business/mobile/phones/galaxy-xcover-pro/
Yea it’s technically made for bussiness to give to their employees but you can still buy it for personal use. Specs ain’t great tho, but the point is that it is possible.
My work gave me one of these. Worst phone I’ve ever used.
Yea its like how schools pay millions of dollars for computers only for them to be laggy af. Some organizations just don’t care as long as it’s usable to do whatever the organization needs it to do. It’s usually cheaper for an organization to buy 500 of these since they are probably cheaper in bulk, and its easier to manage. An organization could probably get a bulk purchase deal on flagships, but its gonna be more expensive, and they dont wanna spend even slightly more than they had to, they just want cheap stuff that works, even very slowly. If a manufacturer wanted to, they could spend production money to making these flagship, but why do that when you can seal batteries and make their devices die quicker and sell more phones?
You can’t actually make them as thin as they are now, regardles what OS they use under the hood, if the battery has to be removable. Yeah, you can still maintain the same specs, but at the cost of being 3, 4mm thicker 🤷.
Meh, laws that benefit some people are often gonna to negatively impact others, like corporations, or people who like their phone’s “aesthetic”. You can’t please everyone. The EU parliament voted for this so I assume people want this. If they don’t want it, they could always make another vote to repeal it later on.
I think the EU doesn’t actually take into account much of what the people think or say… I think they’re just mature enough as polititians and human beings to reaize that, yes, we do have to make a living, one way or another, but this thing is just wrong. We gotta make it right.
I saw an interview once with a german female polititian that switched office and was now in a lower ranking, underpaid and much more demanding office. The journalist asked her why did she want to switch (it was by her choice), to which she replied that she wanted to prove herself as being able to do this as well, and also have this job on her resime, which would be very good, plus she gets to be in a much more demanding environment, which is something she always wanted to see if she could handle well.
It’s the logic to how most of these polititians see themselves and the work they do. They see themselves as servants to the people and their jobs just as any other job, they just want to get better at doing different things regarding their qualifications. This is the main diference, I think, not just do something for status or money, but actually progress in your knowledge and skills.
Nokia 5210 wants to have a word with you.
That phone would literally survive fat man & little boy combined!
Not just the Galaxy S5, go open GSMArena’s phone finder and filter the results by form factor to “bar”, IP certificate to IPx7 and IPx8, and finally the battery to removable, 97 phones if you gonna include non-Android phones
And not replaceable with tools. You could do it in about two seconds.
Are you implying that humans aren’t tools?
Some are
You mean fools?
Samsung STILL makes them! https://www.samsung.com/us/business/mobile/phones/galaxy-xcover-pro/
There were a lot of good things back then. I don’t mind that part coming back
Something that I haven’t seen mentioned on this topic:
having a spare charged battery with you also have so much more sense than carrying a powerbank. No losses transferring power to phone, no excessive heat, MUCH lighter.
This is what we have for radios (walkie-talkies), drones, cameras, but not for phones, where we really need this.
We’re not necessarily talking about “pop the back open and slam a new one in” batteries a la Nokia 3310, but rather being able to replace a battery at the end of its lifecycle without special expertise and tools, but still, with some amount of effort required.
That’s the requirement at least, but companies are of course free to choose either approach.
According to a draft version of the ecodesign regulation on the EU’s website, batteries should be replaceable “with no tool, a tool or set of tools that is supplied with the product or spare part, or basic tools.”
Thank you for clarification and context.
I’m daydreaming about potential feature and sell point some manufacturers may adapt to bring this regulation further into a win-win for themselves and customers. So yes, essentially bring me 3310 back :)
God damn people here are fucking civil and understanding
I feel like I’m on Reddit in the late ‘00s again.
But when Apple ships the replacement battery with the Apple self service tools that they have today. Would that even change something for the iPhone? The amount of expertise is questionable.
I wish I lived in Europe.
Many european countries have great immigration laws and opportunities. Some companies will offer relocation assistance and reimbursment. It’s a challange, but it’s possible.
Just please leave your cars behind :)
cars? you mean satan’s shithole wagon?
Can’t you just purchase the EU version or is it locked for non EU sim cards?
Some changes might also affect non EU countries anyways, at least there is no logical reason to keep especially the hardware changes region locked… On the other hand, it’s Apple
Same
Now hit em again with a FaceTime on other platforms and finish off with an iMessage on Android!
I would looooove iMessage to be an option on my PC computers and my friends’ Android phones. Signal is great, but iMessage is so super clean. I love that I can have E2E encrypted chats from my laptop to my friends’ phones.
People complain about BuBbLe CoLouRs without even knowing what it means… iMessage is legitimately amazing. 100% get it to other platforms, Apple!
Oh do I have some good news for you then. The end of the summer a few platforms are slated to launch an iMessage on Android app.
Sunbird is the big one that is getting a large amount of coverage and sells itself as E2E for iMessage (we’ll see at launch as it’s in beta right now).
Beeper is another one that’s an aggregation messenger similar to what signal originally was, but is also supposed to allow iMessage instead of its own alternative, as well as still being usable for text/RCS messaging.
I’m not working for either of these companies, I just have a significant other with an iPhone who always complains about my messages being green, and so I did some research into ways to fix it a few months ago and found both of these to be the promising fixes that don’t require self hosting a server (funny seeing as this is lemmy, kinda the theme here). I’ve kept it under wraps from them to be a huge surprise when it launchs and all of a sudden they can’t complain/talk about the platform superiority anymore.
Sunbird is somewhat suspicious to me because of the “we won’t open source because it’s less secure”. Makes me wonder what godawful nightmare their app is if they don’t want to let people look. Oh and if they’re doing it as a business decision I don’t want anything to do with them either as it’s still vendor lock in.
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thanks for using POV correctly
And thanks to EU for using POW! correctly
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