China won’t be pleased about that. They were predicted to control a third of the world’s lithium within the next few years.
I was just doing my Dr Evil thing thinking about how mad China is going to be about this.
They won’t be able to actually start mining for 3-4 years, so they probably still will for a short period.
Wdym? the company who owns the mine is owned by a chinese company lol. Thacker Pass Lithium Mine - Wikipedia Lithium Nevada, LLC - a wholly owned subsidiary of Lithium Americas Corp, whose largest shareholder is the world’s largest lithium mining company, Chinese Ganfeng Lithium.
Chinese Ganfeng holds less than 10% of it and it looks like every other big shareholder is North American or European
Skill issue.
Better than exploiting other countries, I suppose. But I think Lithium is a transitional battery source, and that we will move to much more efficient designs within a decade.
Not a chance.
Right now we’re using lithium-ion. In maybe a decade we’ll move to lithium-sulphide, and in perhaps 25 years we might see lithium-oxygen.
Either way, lithium is all you’ll see in commercially viable batteries for the next 50 years because lithium as an anode is as good as it gets on the Table of Elements.
Yes, you’ll see 100 reports per year about new battery tech but none of them will ever be scalable, safe enough, or cheap enough.
I mean, this kinda only applies to devices that need the highest energy density.
For situations where space isn’t much of an issue, it can make more sense to use other forms of batteries that are cheaper per MWh. I agree Li-ion won’t be replaced in phones etc. but for some applications that are stationary, it can make commercial sense to use something else.
We’ll be moving bulk storage to molten sodium over the next 3 decades, lithium will be for high density applications, but they’re working on sodium-air designs because the density is even higher than lion.
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CATL is beginning mass production of sodium-ion batteries this year.
Were still going to need lithium batteries for longer ranges for quite awhile.
Sodium Ion/LFP can get up to 160wh/kg right now, which is fine for things like the standard range cars or commuter cars, but when you want the longer range vehicles they’re to big/heavy compared to the 250-300wh/kg of the lithium ion batteries using nickle.
I’m sure they’ll keep improving them, but so will the lithium ion ones. Maybe LFP/Sodium make it to 250, but nickle make it to 400-450.
Then you gotta consider weight differences and what not and the impact on efficiency so it’s not neccesarily end game if they reach the mid 200’s.
I’m super excited to see the continued improvements in these lower power density batteries though. They’re going to make the transition a lot easier as not everyone will want a longer range vehicle, and they’re more sustainable.
And of course, for storage where density doesn’t matter, they’re amazing.
Edit: Oh and once we get into the cost effective 400-450+ range, we can start transitioning flight as well, so we’ll still need it then as well.
You mean I won’t be running my car off bacteria?!
If you want to do something like that, just get a car with a diesel engine and run biodiesel in it. No need to wait for new tech; an old '90s or early-2000s VW TDI (for example) is perfectly suitable.
It was a joke. Every so often some article comes out about how scientists have made bio-batteries. They never go anywhere.
Yeah, I get it.
You know what’s not a joke, though? Biodiesel. People talk about how we need new car technology to stop global warming, but my car was carbon-neutral a decade ago…
There was never enough source to scale up very far. People need to eat a lot more fried food to create several orders of magnitude more used cooking oil
It’s a good part of the solution, along with EVs and the biggie, which is to fix the zoning code so that cities can be built with walkable density and people don’t have to drive as much in the first place.
Also, there are more waste feedstocks available than just used vegetable oil. For example, the biodiesel I’d get was made from rendered chicken fat. (I use past tense, by the way, only because my car has been sitting for longer than I care to admit because I haven’t finished replacing the transmission. The TDI engine running on biodiesel is great, but sadly, the rest of the car is still a VW…)
There are a few promising leads in sodium, graphene, and liquid hydrogen batteries. And yeah that includes salt batteries as well
The volcanic crater is found along the Nevada-Oregon border.
The Lithium Americas Corporation “expects to begin mining in 2026. It will remove clay with water and then separate out the small lithium-bearing grains from larger minerals by centrifuging. The clay will then be leached in vats of sulfuric acid to extract lithium.”
All subsequent waste products will then be released into local waterways via “unfortunate accident” on a regular schedule, to maximize shareholder profits.
Sigh.
Sulfuric acid is one of the few chemicals that is bad to have around and can be controlled. The very first wet scrubbers to be designed (per WW2 tech here) were for dealing with it. Add water plus a calcium base like Diatomaceous earth and you get harmless sulfur-calcium salts. There are almost no local waterways and mining is very regulated.
Maybe be happy for once that more mining will be happening in a country that bothers to regulate environmental stuff and is closer to the consumer market.
I legitimately am, this is a win, especially since the deposit is in an entirely different economic and political sphere of influence from where all the other lithium is.
It’s just so easy to assume the worst when it happens so often.
It doesn’t happen often. You hear about it happening often. Observation bias. No one reads an article “everything fine at the mine”. No, they read an article about a disaster from the 1970s caused by a scumbag.
A lot of freaken work and regulations has gone into make sure chemical plants don’t explode and mining doesn’t mess things up for decades. And no one gets credit for that. Any site this big is going to have at least monthly inspections there from the local DEP. Taking soil samples, reviewing logs, checking for the very things you mentioned like getting into waterways. Which again, desert.
The biggest environmental dangers I am betting they are going to have is a fight over city water and of course the normal greenhouse gas emissions that all of us are going to ignore.
On the bright side, that area is an endoheric basin, so at least it won’t go all the way downriver to the ocean. It’ll just, uh, build up in salt flats/dry lake beds instead, which obviously won’t cause any problem at all.
Well, that’s good news 🤣
Like a mini Aral Sea.
LoL. I’m so glad it will be accidental
Someone using the in game editor?
Earth Genie
Now all they need is some poor immigrants to work on extracting it and they can make fat stacks
Something tells me there will be a new prison complex built in the area in the next few years
If this works out and is feasible it would be something of a game changer and would weaken some of our international dependencies
Awesome. Now leave it there and don’t let anyone touch it 😁
Yea a-a-a yea
I’m so happy…
‘cause today I found my friends…
Man I can’t wait for it all to get donated to the Ukraine.
