Edit: Surprised at all the vegans in this thread. I didn’t think there were so many of you. I’m glad you care so much about animal rights, that you’re willing to forego eating them and using products made from them. If you’re not vegan and have moral objections for this, maybe you should look at yourself first and all the animal abuse you sanction by eating animals and using animal products. Did you know dairy cows have to be pregnant to produce milk? They’re artificially inseminated throughout most of their lives. I hope everyone complaining about this also complains about ice cream and cheese. Or else they would be hypocrites who just want to blame others but never look at themselves.
Maybe I don’t have to stop drinking after all…
A truly pragmatic take away
Yeah, I’m wondering if I can pre-order
It takes time to grow, so you better!
You made me snort into my whiskey glass
I like the way you think! finishes beer and grabs another
So people kill animals for fun, but when someone suggests using animals to save lives it’s evil?
Fix things in logical order and hopefully by then we’ll have developed other solutions that do not depend on animals. But don’t fight against progress when there are so many horrible and useless things that are allowed at the same time, pick your fights efficiently.
Farming pigs in ultra tiny spaces with horrible conditions where some of them die before getting brutally slaughtered to have cheap meat which is not necessary for human nutrition anymore, just tasty - totally fine
Farming pigs and treating them very well so that they grow healthy organs for terminally sick humans to then kill them in a controlled and anesthesized setting - how dare you
Fuck it. Both good.
People just want to be heard.
I feel like contrarians exist because they feel more powerful going against the grain then going along with it.
The comment section is laughable. I hope none of you or your loved ones will need an organ transplant in the future, since it’s better to be put on a waiting list and cross your fingers that you won’t die before an organ is available, since cattle is oh-so-important and precious.
Cattle are important and precious. There are already immoral practices brought by capitalism while raising animals for slaughter. This doesn’t imply that it’s moral to now bring an animal to life just to steal its organs as well.
Organ transplant can be achieved artificially by just developing the organs themselves in the lab. There already has been work done in that regard.
Yeah, I don’t really take meat-eaters seriously when they complain about animal rights abuses.
They clearly don’t care, or else they wouldn’t be eating meat, lol.
Counterpoint: It is possible to be a person who consumes meat while also caring that the meat they are consuming is sourced ethically (e.g. not raised in confinement, humanely slaughtered with as little pain inflicted as possible, etc.).
If you asked the average consumer if they cared whether or not the meat that they were buying is abuse-free, I’d say 99% of them would say that they do in fact care, but the meat industry does everything in it’s power to obfuscate the process so they can keep up their cost-saving abusive tactics to save a few pennies.
You can have humanely sourced meat. There’s a vast difference between “wow Tyson is a fucking horrible company, don’t buy their chicken” and “wow this local farm/butcher really fucking did a good job”.
Death is a part of life. The problem with the meat industry is overconsumptiom. Not with killing animals for meat.
Do meat animals live long? Also, how many meat animals are from “local farms”?
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devils advocate.
I hope aliens are real and they choose you to pump out more organs because theirs failed from all the shit they eat so this way they can keep doing unhealthy things. Because there’s plenty of selfish people out there who chose to damage their bodies.
it’s not fair that some random fucking animal gets to be brought onto the earth solely for the purpose of your fat fucking ass who can’t stop shoving burgers down your face.
Yes I did ignore legitimate uses for this sort of thing because no shit some people actually need organs at no fault of their own and no, I’m not talking about animals being used for food because that’s not the topic.
it’s not fair that some random fucking animal gets to be brought onto the earth solely for the purpose of your fat fucking ass who can’t stop shoving burgers down your face.
You know that people’s organs also fail due to disease and cancer, right?
Clearly didn’t read what I said lmfao
It’s hypocritical though to be against slaughtering animals for organs but be okay with animals being slaughtered for food. I’d argue killing animals for food is even worse because it’s unnecessary.
I can’t argue about dietary findings as the gut is still a very much unknown environment which includes things like digestion and nutrient processing and I know very little on that topic frankly
I can argue however that needing a new liver because you’re a drunk and feeding your child some chicken are two veeeery different needs. Some people do need these organs, that’s fine. What I’m not fine with is knowing damn well man will abuse this shit and abuse the animals where as food is a consistent need not a resultant need.
Am I the only one who thinks it’s fucked up to experiment on animals who can’t consent to this? We place so much emphasis on people being the most important thing in the world, we forgot that we are part of the ecosystem too.
This is and will always be small potatoes in terms of the suffering we put relatively intelligent animals through every day.
We would need to slaughter probably 100,000 animals yearly for the US organ demand (at ~50,000 transplants per year and a buffer).
We slaughter 125 MILLION pigs in the US for consumption a year.
Not to mention that “medical grade” pigs will probably be given a golden ticket in terms of care until they are slaughtered, compared to the extremely abysmal environment millions live in today.
If animal welfare is important to you, scientific research is a poor use of advocating resources while we still eat hundreds of pounds of meat yearly. If advocates reduce meat consumption by even a percent or two it would generally greatly outweigh banning animal based research entirely.
Sure, but the article isn’t about the inhumane treatment of our industrial meat production facilities. I’m well aware of them. And I want those gone too.
Good thing you’re not consuming or using animal products, then. Or else you’d be a hypocrite.
Always with the you can’t participate in society and criticize it argument. It’s pathetic.
I mean, you can participate in society without eating meat. Lol.
Unless you were talking to someone else?
You can’t tell anyone to stop eating meat if you eat meat
Edit: Or else you’d be a hypocrite
Sure I can.
Animal testing isn’t ideal but for important medical advances, animal testing is the only way to demonstrate safety before human trials. At some point, you have to value the life of a human more than mice.
And some of the testing is fun. Like when they give them a buzzer to get more drugs. Lab rats definitely consent to more cocaine.
Confirmed, cocaine is lab rat approved.
I don’t value a humans life more.
Then maybe we should eat you instead of the pig!
Mmmmm, longpig
I will never understand how wanting to treat intelligent creatures with dignity is controversial.
Seriously? Who even talks like this…
It’s not controversial, most people think it’s stupid. Controversial would be if so many people agreed with you that it would polarize the society. Which you might think is what happens, but it’s really not.
Most people know that a human’s life is more valuable than an animal’s and think you guys are a little crazy. Treating them with dignity is fine by me, but pretending they’re on the same level as us is not.
It’s not stupid just because you think it is. Doctors also used to think that washing their hands between surgeries was unnecessary.
Point is, just because I value live in general and don’t think humans are necessarily more valuable than anything else doesn’t make it crazy.
I’m not saying it’s a universal truth, you may have noticed I used words like “think”. To me you guys are crazy and I think it’s very stupid. But I never claimed it’s a universal truth.
Surely you must have some system for valuing certain forms of life over others, otherwise functioning is not really possible given the reality we find ourselves in. For example, pretty much anyone at some level values the lives of humans or more intelligent animals over the lives of, say, mosquitos, cockroaches, flies, etc, but those insects are animals too after all. (And while one certainly might put some value on some insects, I know if I find a ladybug inside I’m decently likely to try to take it outside without hurting it, I’ve never met anyone who would get as worked up about a dead bug as they would a dead cat, or put the same effort into saving a spider that they would into saving another person from a deadly situation. Clearly, the value of such animals is at some level held to be less.) Even further, it would be even more strange to value other living creatures as much as humans, like plants or bacteria (indeed, considering that one involuntarily kills countless bacteria just by existing and must consume plants to live, a hypothetical person who cared just as much about them as people would either have absolutely no regard for the lives of others, or would be consumed by constant guilt to the point of probably being unable to survive in the long run). Clearly then, just about everyone has some sort of hierarchy of what animals are more valuable than others, whether one consciously believes it or not. If intelligence is the metric that one uses to decide this, then one must value humans more than any known animal, because while some are smart, no animal is quite as smart as humans are. If intelligence is not the metric you use, then what is?
Alternatively people who don’t value other people’s lives may have a personality disorder (emphasis on may). Of course that is if it’s not to sound edgy on the internet but if they truly don’t value human life.
It’s interesting that you bring this up because I have been encountering people lately who have a different take on insects - that they actually kind of put insects above humans. Just yesterday someone responded to me saying I get attacked by bugs that, quote “You are not getting attacked. You just live in the same world like them and take up space that once was theirs before”
So like its my fault that I’m getting bug bites. Humans are to blame for existing in the wildlife and that’s why animals and insects try to take people out all the time.
There’s this popular poster on tumblr who goes by bogleech - their stuff gets reposted to reddit last I saw. They also support this idea that bugs are superior and humans need to just stop being afraid of insects and respect them more.
Feel free to volunteer for testing then.
Not even the hot ones? Hot people are pretty valuable.
I mean, you’re probably not the only one who thinks anything.
That said, do you eat meat? If so, the meat and dairy industries systematically do egregious things to millions of animals every day.
Dude if I can preorder a whole pig with a replacement set of lungs too ….
Dinner and an upgrade?
Bacon and breathing
I limit my meat consumption, and I don’t drink milk. Not a 100% vegetarian, but it’s better than nothing. One of these days I’ll decide to be a vegetarian again.
So, you’re eating meat and being all hypocritical about others.
Do you eat cheese or other dairy products?
We are, but being a part of the ecosystem doesn’t really mean much. Ecosystems aren’t obligations, authorities, sources of morality or subject to it. They’re just systems of relationships between organisms in a particular place. Whatever humans do, as long as it involves other organisms, that is our role in the local ecosystem. If we start doing something else, we aren’t forgetting our role in the ecosystem, no role was ever assigned to us, our “role” is merely descriptive of what impact we have.
It’s definitely fucked up. It reminds me of the WKUK breakfast pig sketch.
It’s just another version of the food chain
Yeah, but you see; the animals are useful in a new way so ethics doesn’t matter. We’ll worry about that in 50 years when we no longer need them to grow new organs for us
I would see a million pigs die before one human.
That’s basically the attitude that is resulting in the 6th mass extinction right now.
Pigs are in no danger of extinction.
And wanting to preserve natural ecosystems does not imply wanting to improve the treatment of livestock. Incidentally, the end of meat consumption would most likely lead to the extinction of multiple species of livestock.
We brought pigs into existence for the benefit of human conditions, we will take them out of it if and when it becomes necessary.
How many pigs would be too many? What is the precise pig to human exchange rate?
I agree. We should be experimenting on prisoners.
Well that’s just insane.
I agree. We should be experimenting on schoolchildren.
Humans truly are the monsters in this story.
Living people is more important than dead animals.
Plus, every new kidney comes with a side of bacon. How can you resist a deal like that?
I think you are proving OP right.
If OP is an ethical vegan, then they have a point. Everyone else needs to get over themselves.
eats bacon cheeseburger
Taking context from your other comments: no I don’t eat animal products.
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Could you imagine if we extended the life span of every person on earth by 30 years? We would be so fucked population wise. Plus we already have issues supporting our elderly population, what happens a couple decades later, when the average age of the retired is 95? Capitalism would need to be entirely restructured… to the point where it is no longer Capitalism.
No we wouldn’t. The earth isn’t overpopulated with humans.
We just choose to be inefficient with our resources so as few people as possible can live as lavish a life as possible.
And you think extending people’s lives will change that, or somehow make that equation better? If anything it would just be used to literally put people back into indentured servitude just to stay alive.
I’d still prefer growing headless human clones for parts, but this is good enough.
don’t miss out your monthly payment.
No ManBearPig mentions yet? Half man, half bear, half pig?
No, it’s half bear and half man pig
Correction: It’s 1/3 man, 1/3 bear, 1/3 pig.
God forbid pigs learn fractions.
I’m all for this, but this comments section is crazy. Huge ratios for both sides.
The article says embryos so I don’t think it’s living animals being tested on, that being said it’s also China, so fuck knows what other sorts of inhumane stuff is going on that isn’t being talked about.
The pigoons said they would leave your garden alone if you stopped hunting them.
Man, I have ALWAYS wished outloud “I wish we humans has spare parts, so I can replace my always congested nose, my fucked up knee and shoulder”. My dream is finally coming true???
Those are sadly not organs.
Well, it’s a start. I wouldn’t mind a new knee myself.
Damn.
Damn!
Some Scottish scientist has been working with 3D printing organs. I haven’t heard anything about it in a few years though. This is definitely cheaper, as he has to work with your specific stem cells and culture them to use as “ink”
The future looks bright.
Hopefully in my life time. Lol
It’s interesting that we go to all the trouble of farming human organs in animals specifically because we’re okay killing animals. Surely it would work way better to farm human organs in human embryos. But we go about it sideways because that’s how much we don’t give a shit about animals.
Weird take, it’s like you’re conflating acceptable losses and apathy.
Scientists would use human embryos, if given the ability to. Unfortunately there are people who believe that life happens the moment a man injects his baby batter into a woman’s love tunnel.
These are why people kill animals for this, not because they “don’t give a shit about animals”.
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Not if you engineer them to not have a brain
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Hey man, humans are perception. If they can’t perceive or even have the functions necessary to think, are they really alive?
If you think a ‘soul’ is born whenever an egg meets a sperm, you may have a point. It’s just… why do you believe that? What evidence do you have so other people believe it too?
If you think ‘life is sacred’ and all that nonsense, hey bro. Everytime you wash your hands you’re killing bacteria. Every time you cut the grass, guess how much death you’re causing? A lot. And I guarantee the organisms you’re killing are way more perceptive than a human embryo.
This is only a difficult discussion because a sizable amount of the population still believes in fairytales.
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I will kill you and your ilk where you stand.
Yeah… you need to calm down.
Heavy report for advocating for violence. Literally threatening to kill me. What is wrong with you? Get help.
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Firstly, I would like to thank our Tleilaxu overlords
Great news but an absolute braindead take from most commenters here…
